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Posted by ED
- Nov 10, 2023, 09:11 AMWhy is it not mandatory for the sexual offender assessment board to administer the MMPI-2 during there court ordered assessment to determine if a person truly has mental abnormality and personality disorders. The first thing the judge ask is did you evaluate the defendant, and the reply from the soab is we are not required to test and our assessment is done verbally. Your fate is determined by opinion and not by fact. I always thought that any case that comes before a court is based on fact not opinion. :-[
Posted by Verax
- Jan 22, 2023, 12:28 PMTo obtain a list of the questions ask on the MMPI-2 and to have them scored (after answering), follow the instructions here:
https://antipolygraph.org/forum/index.php?topic=5802.msg44553#msg44553
https://antipolygraph.org/forum/index.php?topic=5802.msg44553#msg44553
Posted by Mansi
- Jan 22, 2023, 02:53 AMPlease share scoring and interpretation of this
Posted by BitchPlease
- Jun 17, 2022, 08:46 AMI don't see how to edit on this forum so I'll just reply to myself as a workaround. A person busily attempting to be a type of prophet can never figure out that all prophets are false. Some of us are disinclined toward that possibility for needing them as our crutches and others for needing to believe that our own is or will be the right or best one... and still others for the unacknowledged dream of possibility even being one. Anyone enlightened enough to figure out that there's no god no afterlife and no free will (and that the intention behind any action is the only thing that matters and has to be because it's the only sphere in which all individuals regardless of how much or little objective truth our subjective views perceive maintain complete autonomy always) isn't pushing a magical message people want a prophet to bring anyway but with the understanding that the absence of free will is not equivalent to the meaninglessness of intent (it's an acknowledgment that our intention is inescapably at the mercy of an unquantifiable degree source and nature of others' intentions so no decision against pursuit of mutual goodwill is every rational) I'd like to point out allowing some test result to bait oneself into an obsessive need to change that test result rather than somehow integrating whatever it might point out as an area for introspection is the very type of tendency (externalizing approach) that leads people to make up devices of conscience and ego said to offer guaranteed third-party forgiveness and deferral of punishment and reward into imaginary next lives for injustices in this one (and tolerate pseudoprophet abuse from the likes of Psych1).
Conflating faith in the test with mislaid overreliance on the result is analogous to making it a type of god. And allowing it the power to inspire or prompt one to unprincipled action it's predicted they will choose over finding some way to roll with it is the very essence of free will being a myth. That's not an excuse to reject principle, it's the reason to reject embracing anything else (or anyone else's).
Conflating faith in the test with mislaid overreliance on the result is analogous to making it a type of god. And allowing it the power to inspire or prompt one to unprincipled action it's predicted they will choose over finding some way to roll with it is the very essence of free will being a myth. That's not an excuse to reject principle, it's the reason to reject embracing anything else (or anyone else's).
Posted by BitchPlease
- Jun 17, 2022, 07:20 AMSeems to me rejection of a local PD applicant based upon MMPI results that doesn't include a contextual interview is not even actually a valid MMPI result but is a conceivable shortcut, no matter how unfortunate. I'm pretty sure rejection with a contextual interview doesn't guarantee one is in the range of desirability for applicants at Quantico and Langley, but as no effective hiring employer wants to solicit undermining rebuttal to their objective decision not being told what scales concerned them (disqualified you) leaves you in the position of probably not imagining if they won't take you perhaps the feds might but I'm here to tell you responses to the dozen or so psychopathy-scale questions seen as exclusionarily determinative at a bank with a perfectly clean background report indicate someone who won't objectively evaluate the morality of orders presumed to be in their particular group (so here country of citizenship/nationality) interest because it's a competitive and calculating personality type that will rationalize its disinterest in mutual prosperity by claiming since pursuit of such a strategy puts one at risk of being victimized by the other party's potential insincerity beating them to it with one's own corruption is thereby justified... so unless this individual is suffering burnout and beginning to question how beneficial following orders has been to themself they just assume orders in service of their own country are moral enough/more moral because that's an extension of self interest and ultimately their only criteria.
I'm not pointing all of that out in judgment nearly so much as I am Aware of the rejection by a lesser agency sort of counterintuitively implies one wouldn't need the standard for a more authoritative one. And also because that's what "PSYCH1" isn't telling y'all while she's getting her sick sadistic kick out of hiding behind a test calling out people exhibiting traits she's pretending hasn't made them (many of y'all) easy targets for projective displacement (she is displaying behavior consistent with other traits in the very same cluster and getting off on the perception of authority her greater working knowledge and familiarity with the instrument confers, but Pearson doesn't need a spokesperson and outside of memed clichés about being drawn to it to figure out personal problems if psychology did she wouldn't be nearly as flattering a choice as she seems to think).
I'm not pointing all of that out in judgment nearly so much as I am Aware of the rejection by a lesser agency sort of counterintuitively implies one wouldn't need the standard for a more authoritative one. And also because that's what "PSYCH1" isn't telling y'all while she's getting her sick sadistic kick out of hiding behind a test calling out people exhibiting traits she's pretending hasn't made them (many of y'all) easy targets for projective displacement (she is displaying behavior consistent with other traits in the very same cluster and getting off on the perception of authority her greater working knowledge and familiarity with the instrument confers, but Pearson doesn't need a spokesperson and outside of memed clichés about being drawn to it to figure out personal problems if psychology did she wouldn't be nearly as flattering a choice as she seems to think).
Posted by movietheaters-MMPI4
- Jun 05, 2022, 02:33 AMFor the MMPI-4, what about a lie question,
"I have never downloaded or streamed a movie in a manner that violates federal copyright law."
Who goes to movies and sneaks in? I would not sneak into a movie, but if I answered as such, I would be flagged as a liar. Thus, I must lie to be considered truthful. Aren't movie theaters outdated as a general question for all persons?
"I have never downloaded or streamed a movie in a manner that violates federal copyright law."
Who goes to movies and sneaks in? I would not sneak into a movie, but if I answered as such, I would be flagged as a liar. Thus, I must lie to be considered truthful. Aren't movie theaters outdated as a general question for all persons?
Posted by VisionMissing
- Mar 10, 2022, 01:04 AMI have never seen a vision. Why does the test say that I have deviant thinking!!
Question 180 was a typo (see image).
Is something wrong with the coding for question 427?
Question 180 was a typo (see image).
Is something wrong with the coding for question 427?
Posted by VisionQuestion
- Mar 10, 2022, 01:01 AMQuote from: Just asking on Mar 27, 2011, 09:56 PMFor those that have the most accurate answer:
38 65 100
LW5 Lachar-Wrobel Critical Items - Deviant Thinking and Experiences 427 True I have never seen a vision.
I answered question 427 as true, and then at the bottom of the test it said deviant thinking!?
Is this a coding error? Do most normal people see visions? Why was my true answer flagged as
LW5 Lachar-Wrobel Critical Items - Deviant Thinking and Experiences?
Posted by Sanaro
- Mar 18, 2021, 03:28 PMQuotethis test is a joke I've taken it 25 years ago and "passed" Some friends and I went to another city took the test as police applicants again and "Messed" with it they passed us all again... Also, when cop's boss's are pissed and we havent broken "P&P" they can send us again. I was sent and I asked the guy giving the test if I was "ok" to go back to work.He said yes by the way l.o.l. I say the best way is to go in and be truthful if you fail and your a police officer you get disability. lmao should have "F ed" with them and gone home.
Sorry, but you completely fabricated the law enforcement application portion of your (yes, 10 year old) post.
The MMPI is not scored on individual answers to individual questions. Each question is included in one of the validity scales. For example, question 1, 15, 30, 45...every 15th question is on the L "lie" scale.
The key to the scales depends on the statistical evaluation of millions of test scores. They end up with an average score, over the millions of tests, for each scale. Your score for each scale is measured against the key. Do you fall in the 1st Standard Deviation (or 2nd SD - it depends on what industry is conduction the test)? If you do then 67% of all people tested fall within your range. If you attempt to give the answer you think they are looking for on individual questions its very likely you will test outside the acceptable range and be rejected.
For law enforcement the scales are made up of the millions of people who have applied for law enforcement positions and taken the MMPI. Because that experimental group is a sub-group of the general population its normal scale is somewhat different. You have to test within the 1st SD of that sub-group.
BTW: I'm using Standard Deviation loosely here. It is a normal measurement technique used in statistics but an industry might choose some other method of scoring a validity scale. But the general theory still holds - trying to outguess the test based on individual test answers will usually backfire. Its the overall score, not answers to individual questions, that count.
Posted by JOHN LESTER M. BARICUATRO
- Feb 20, 2020, 05:23 AM@ ThugCop
Posted by Diane L Cole
- Jan 03, 2020, 01:33 PMCan you send me the answer to the first 75 questions along with the other questions and their answeres plesase.
Posted by Ireine
- Nov 07, 2019, 06:55 PMDear Thug,
Please send me the rest of the test's questions. It would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance
Ireine
ireineroosdy@yahoo.com
Please send me the rest of the test's questions. It would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance
Ireine
ireineroosdy@yahoo.com
Posted by MMPI2
- Oct 30, 2019, 04:04 PMPosted by MMPI2
- Aug 30, 2019, 02:47 AMNowadays the MMPI2-RF is used because it's a shortened version. About half of the number of questions, but the same ones, just slightly different scoring. I believe the old scoring script out there on the internet in the past few years already had the shortened version.
Keep in mind that departments nowadays are moving away from MMPI2, although the less modern ones still use it. It's relatively easy to play around with since it is so well established. It's also relatively easy to beat it any which way one wants and get a job offer without ever having to have an in person interview with a psychologist. Precisely because of the over-reliance on the results and norms. If it's a multiple choice test, it can always be beaten without detection.
The Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory-2 Restructured Form (MMPI-2-RF), published in 2008, is a 338–item self-report measure linked conceptually and empirically to modern theories and models of psychopathology and personality.
The people who keep asking for the test to be emailed don't seem to be able to use Google. Or to even bother reading this thread's earlier posts. Lazy.
Keep in mind that departments nowadays are moving away from MMPI2, although the less modern ones still use it. It's relatively easy to play around with since it is so well established. It's also relatively easy to beat it any which way one wants and get a job offer without ever having to have an in person interview with a psychologist. Precisely because of the over-reliance on the results and norms. If it's a multiple choice test, it can always be beaten without detection.
The Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory-2 Restructured Form (MMPI-2-RF), published in 2008, is a 338–item self-report measure linked conceptually and empirically to modern theories and models of psychopathology and personality.
The people who keep asking for the test to be emailed don't seem to be able to use Google. Or to even bother reading this thread's earlier posts. Lazy.
Posted by JimBob
- Jul 24, 2019, 11:10 AMDo you have the rest of the questions, please. Thank you. Email to above, please. Thank you.