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Posted by George W. Maschke
- May 23, 2022, 06:11 AMI recently heard from a former Afghan combat interpreter who was fired and blacklisted by the U.S. government after failing a Preliminary Credibility Assessment Screening System (PCASS) "test." The interpreter has agreed to publicly share his story, which may be read here:
https://antipolygraph.org/statements/statement-045.shtml
https://antipolygraph.org/statements/statement-045.shtml
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Sep 25, 2012, 08:59 PMA report published in the New York Post indicates that in response to killings of US and allied troops in Afghanistan by Afghan forces, a contingent of 60 PCASS operators is being dispatched to Afghanistan to vet Afghan recruits. As I pointed out in the first post of this thread, the PCASS is easily beaten (and has no validity to begin with). As a consequence, US troops may well become more likely to be fragged by their Afghan counterparts to the extent that any reliance is placed on this invalid test:
QuoteSending lie detectors for Afghan 'allies'
By PAUL SPERRY
Last Updated: 11:06 PM, September 22, 2012
Posted: 9:51 PM, September 22, 2012
Fearing as many as 85,000 Afghan army and police recruits may sympathize with the Taliban and aim to murder their American mentors, the Pentagon has deployed dozens more counterintelligence agents to Afghanistan to test the loyalty of recruits with lie detectors.
The "CI surge," as one US intelligence official called it, casts further doubt on the safety of the training partnership and the entire Afghanistan exit strategy that hinges on it.
Under pressure from President Obama, the military rushed to recruit local Afghans to stand up a national army and police ahead of his announced 2014 troop withdrawal. To process some 7,000 new recruits each month, corners were cut on background checks, allowing insurgents and terrorists to fill the ranks of the now-350,000-member security force.
The massive infiltration has put American and other Western troops at risk of insider attacks by Afghans they're training and mentoring.
So far this year, uniformed Afghans have carried out 36 insider, or "green on blue," attacks — more than the previous two years combined — killing 51 American and NATO soldiers. Over the past three years, they've murdered a total of 106 foreign soldiers. Most have been shot at close range, many in the back of the head.
I've learned that, in response to the escalating attacks, orders have gone out to the Army's intelligence headquarters at Fort Huachuca, Ariz., for deployment next month of an additional 60 counterintelligence officers to Afghanistan to help administer a form of polygraph test to Afghan security forces.
They will join the roughly 400 CI agents already in the field. But I'm told this new group is skilled at interrogation and working the so-called PKASS lie-detector machines.
Of course, "they can't do polygraphs on everybody, so they're limiting it to whoever has the most direct access to Americans," the official told me.
Using language interpreters, agents will ask recruits, among other things, if they sympathize with the Taliban or intend to harm Americans.
The military earlier this month suspended training and joint patrols with Afghans in part to conduct more thorough background checks on recruits, who have been selected by village elders, not by Americans.
Even though the Karzai administration recently ID'd and sacked more than 400 Taliban infiltrators whose sole aim was murdering Western troops, the Pentagon does not trust it to thoroughly vet the national army and police.
US military intelligence now believes as much as 25% of the some 350,000 Afghan security force members are Taliban or al Qaeda operatives and sympathizers.
At that infiltration rate, there could be as many as 87,500 bad guys posing as our partners.
One of the core functions of an American soldier in Afghanistan now is working alongside these armed recruits to train and mentor them in combat and protection techniques. They also live with them inside our bases over there, where they're not always armed but their Afghan counterparts are.
That's because Afghans are helping guard our bases. Not surprisingly, many of them have turned their guns on our troops as well.
The private contractors who hired them are now under the control of the Afghan Ministry of Interior — which US intelligence believes has even worse security screening standards than the private contractors. The ministry, which runs the national police, has turned a blind eye to infiltration of its own security forces. In fact, two unarmed senior US officers earlier this year were shot in the back of the head inside ministry headquarters.
To guard against rogue Afghan guards, US commanders have had to place heavily armed "guardian angel" soldiers on duty at bases to protect fellow soldiers as they eat, work out and sleep. Think of the insanity: We have had to double guard our troops because our allies assigned to guard them are actually killing them!
Paul Sperry is a Hoover Institution media fellow and author of "Infiltration."
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/sending_lie_detectors_for_afghan_M40XhKkwjEgYl1YR52482H#ixzz27X0mKGM3
Posted by Administrator
- May 26, 2008, 12:07 PMFurther posts to this thread should substantively address the original topic.
Posted by Twoblock
- May 26, 2008, 11:56 AMDave
You have to realize that being snippy is the only way polygraphers will defend the unscrupulous activities of their profession. They have no desire to clean their own house. They apparently are not students of the Bible and have little to no knowledge of Revelations. They should remove the plank from their own eyes then they could see clearly how to remove the speck from the eyes of others.
You have to realize that being snippy is the only way polygraphers will defend the unscrupulous activities of their profession. They have no desire to clean their own house. They apparently are not students of the Bible and have little to no knowledge of Revelations. They should remove the plank from their own eyes then they could see clearly how to remove the speck from the eyes of others.
Posted by David
- May 26, 2008, 05:14 AMFor the sake of civility, let's knock off the ad hominem attacks, (that is unjustified name calling for those without an education) as they are only for those who do not have the wherewithal to adequately defend their position with facts or logic and so disqualify themselves as one capable of any meaningful communication due to a lack of an education.
Next, as a paralegal, I do have a slight problem with anyone using anything of my speech, bodily functions, biometrics, involuntary blood tests, breath-analyzers, physical agility tests or some such against me in accordance to the Fifth Amendment so as not to testify against myself in a court of law. So if this device is not legal in a court of law, it is worthless as far as testimony goes. This is also used against the dictum of unreasonable search and seizure.
The only way to defeat such is to not comply voluntarily. Of course, any coerced answers of any means would nullify the veracity of such a test and be against their US Constitutional rights.
But that no longer means much any more as the executive powers that be, have already bypassed the US Constitution, the original Ten Bill or Rights, the Articles of Confederation, and the Declaration of Independence by means of the foreign treaties; secret, unsigned, and known presidential executive orders; secret, unsigned, and known presidential national directives; secret, unsigned, and known presidential signing statements, which all nullify the first four national documents and their public intent by passing laws outside of the purview of the legally elected legislature and completely nullifying our civil rights, civil liberties, and freedoms given to us by God himself.
Such illegal and unethical actions by our government have been augmented by the Patriot Act 1, which was not published or read and considered prior to being voted upon. Senator Ron Paul was one of the very few Senators who did not sign this dictatorial civil right grab, unpublished, unread, and unseen. Then the Military Commissions Act, which can declare any citizen a "hostile, enemy combatant", without any formal means in a court of law, thereby circumventing all normal legal procedures of a US Citizen. Next, we have the elimination of the "Writ of Habeus Corpus", which gave us the rights for 1,400 years from the Magna Carta, to face our accusers, be told of the charges we were being charged with, having our day in court before a judge before our rights as a citizen were taken from us without due process of law or equal rights, and the least of which was to post bail until our day in court arrived.
President Bush has done away with all the above civil rights, civil liberties, and personal freedoms, with no congressional oversight what-so-ever. These are grounds for impeachement of him and his vice president Dick Cheney. Do I need a lie detector for these accusations?
Finally, our esteemed military against the "Posse Commitatus" can now be used against it own US Citizens, which is a crock of baloney, as if we do not have enough Police who think they are minor gods of their own right, by beating the crap out of innocent citizens until proven guilty. So enough of the phony Patriotic stuff by those who have never read nor understood the US Constitution, Bill of Right et cetera, which has no basis or legal jurisdiction in the legal rights of a US Citizen.
Any questions?
Dave
Next, as a paralegal, I do have a slight problem with anyone using anything of my speech, bodily functions, biometrics, involuntary blood tests, breath-analyzers, physical agility tests or some such against me in accordance to the Fifth Amendment so as not to testify against myself in a court of law. So if this device is not legal in a court of law, it is worthless as far as testimony goes. This is also used against the dictum of unreasonable search and seizure.
The only way to defeat such is to not comply voluntarily. Of course, any coerced answers of any means would nullify the veracity of such a test and be against their US Constitutional rights.
But that no longer means much any more as the executive powers that be, have already bypassed the US Constitution, the original Ten Bill or Rights, the Articles of Confederation, and the Declaration of Independence by means of the foreign treaties; secret, unsigned, and known presidential executive orders; secret, unsigned, and known presidential national directives; secret, unsigned, and known presidential signing statements, which all nullify the first four national documents and their public intent by passing laws outside of the purview of the legally elected legislature and completely nullifying our civil rights, civil liberties, and freedoms given to us by God himself.
Such illegal and unethical actions by our government have been augmented by the Patriot Act 1, which was not published or read and considered prior to being voted upon. Senator Ron Paul was one of the very few Senators who did not sign this dictatorial civil right grab, unpublished, unread, and unseen. Then the Military Commissions Act, which can declare any citizen a "hostile, enemy combatant", without any formal means in a court of law, thereby circumventing all normal legal procedures of a US Citizen. Next, we have the elimination of the "Writ of Habeus Corpus", which gave us the rights for 1,400 years from the Magna Carta, to face our accusers, be told of the charges we were being charged with, having our day in court before a judge before our rights as a citizen were taken from us without due process of law or equal rights, and the least of which was to post bail until our day in court arrived.
President Bush has done away with all the above civil rights, civil liberties, and personal freedoms, with no congressional oversight what-so-ever. These are grounds for impeachement of him and his vice president Dick Cheney. Do I need a lie detector for these accusations?
Finally, our esteemed military against the "Posse Commitatus" can now be used against it own US Citizens, which is a crock of baloney, as if we do not have enough Police who think they are minor gods of their own right, by beating the crap out of innocent citizens until proven guilty. So enough of the phony Patriotic stuff by those who have never read nor understood the US Constitution, Bill of Right et cetera, which has no basis or legal jurisdiction in the legal rights of a US Citizen.
Any questions?
Dave
Posted by Lethe
- Apr 21, 2008, 03:22 PMYou're right, Sackett. Pond scum at least has the potential to evolve into higher forms of life; polygraphers are an evolutionary dead end whose brains are vestigial.
Posted by sackett
- Apr 21, 2008, 02:53 PMLethe,
for a man with a supposed education, you certainly say some really ignorant things!
"Polygraphers don't give a damn about anyone outside their guild dying? ... "Pond Scum?" Very intellectual and articulate..."doctor"...
Sackett
for a man with a supposed education, you certainly say some really ignorant things!
"Polygraphers don't give a damn about anyone outside their guild dying? ... "Pond Scum?" Very intellectual and articulate..."doctor"...
Sackett
Posted by Lethe
- Apr 21, 2008, 02:07 AMPolygraphers don't give a damn about anyone outside their guild dying (except friends and family members, I guess). They're just like that "Dr." who got his "doctorate" from a "Bible University" in a strip mall who has made a fortune selling police departments the voice stress analyzer. Except polygraphers are against that since they don't get a piece of the action.
They've programmed themselves like machines to not question that which brings them prestige and the almighty dollar. Maybe polygraphers should be set loose in Iraq with that new gizmo? That's help take care of the problem! Of course, pond scum does replicate very quickly.
Dr. Lethe (Note: my PhD is not from a Bible College located in a strip mall)
They've programmed themselves like machines to not question that which brings them prestige and the almighty dollar. Maybe polygraphers should be set loose in Iraq with that new gizmo? That's help take care of the problem! Of course, pond scum does replicate very quickly.
Dr. Lethe (Note: my PhD is not from a Bible College located in a strip mall)
Posted by Brettski
- Apr 15, 2008, 12:59 PMMy last point was a south park reference, I hope everyone got that. I accept your apology. Despite being canadian, I think I'm intellectually capable of identifying a patriotic American from an unpatriotic one. 
Posted by sackett
- Apr 12, 2008, 02:27 PMBrett,
I've bene portrayed so evily on this board, I was just trying to soften my appearance on the board, no offense...
I've bene portrayed so evily on this board, I was just trying to soften my appearance on the board, no offense...
Posted by Brettski
- Apr 11, 2008, 06:48 PMQuote from: George_Maschke on Apr 10, 2008, 11:40 PM"Bret" honey, I supposed you were against water boarding of suspected terrorist and discovering LOTS of information which subsequently saved American lives, huh?
Oh yeah, I get the "Canuck" flag on your posts... Truest form of patriotism for YOUR country...?!
And about the Iraqi's who have yet to be identified falsely as terrorist, I suppose your sympathy lies with them? To answer your question, No! It DOES NOT matter!!! We're propping their country up for democracy. If they, as a nation do not want democracy, then they need to let us know and we'll leave. BUT, as I see daily in reports back from the middle east, we're doing great things for them, they appreciate it and we will overcome the Iranian subversive movement to keep tyranny in its place.
Sleep well tonight. If you were able to read this, thank a teacher. If you read this in the comfort of your own home and in your own native language; thank a soldier!
Sackett
1. Yes, I am of the Canuk persuasion, but I object on the ground of relevance.
2. Yes, I do feel sympathy for muslims errouneously linked to terrorist groups.
3. It's spelt "Brett," and I'm not you're honey, guy.
Posted by sackett
- Apr 10, 2008, 11:40 PM"Bret" honey, I supposed you were against water boarding of suspected terrorist and discovering LOTS of information which subsequently saved American lives, huh?
Oh yeah, I get the "Canuck" flag on your posts... Truest form of patriotism for YOUR country...?!
And about the Iraqi's who have yet to be identified falsely as terrorist, I suppose your sympathy lies with them? To answer your question, No! It DOES NOT matter!!! We're propping their country up for democracy. If they, as a nation do not want democracy, then they need to let us know and we'll leave. BUT, as I see daily in reports back from the middle east, we're doing great things for them, they appreciate it and we will overcome the Iranian subversive movement to keep tyranny in its place.
Sleep well tonight. If you were able to read this, thank a teacher. If you read this in the comfort of your own home and in your own native language; thank a soldier!
Sackett
Oh yeah, I get the "Canuck" flag on your posts... Truest form of patriotism for YOUR country...?!
And about the Iraqi's who have yet to be identified falsely as terrorist, I suppose your sympathy lies with them? To answer your question, No! It DOES NOT matter!!! We're propping their country up for democracy. If they, as a nation do not want democracy, then they need to let us know and we'll leave. BUT, as I see daily in reports back from the middle east, we're doing great things for them, they appreciate it and we will overcome the Iranian subversive movement to keep tyranny in its place.
Sleep well tonight. If you were able to read this, thank a teacher. If you read this in the comfort of your own home and in your own native language; thank a soldier!
Sackett
Posted by Brettski
- Apr 10, 2008, 11:05 PMWhat about all the Iraqis that will be identified as terrorists after commiting no crime? According to the research, it should be AT LEAST 1/5 of anyone who is covertly tracked. At the very least those unlucky false positives are going to have their privacy violated, but they don't hold US citizenship. I forgot they don't matter, not really...
If anything, what George did is the truest expresion of patriotism. He's speaking out against con-artists trying to swindle the US tax payer, and revealing this will prevent soldiers from taking unnecessary risks and expenditures based on overreliance on this worthless device.
If anything, what George did is the truest expresion of patriotism. He's speaking out against con-artists trying to swindle the US tax payer, and revealing this will prevent soldiers from taking unnecessary risks and expenditures based on overreliance on this worthless device.
Posted by yankeedog
- Apr 10, 2008, 05:56 PM18 USC 2381. Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Posted by Mister Treason
- Apr 10, 2008, 02:41 PMQuote from: George_Maschke on Apr 09, 2008, 07:30 PMTreason: The crime of betraying a nation or a sovereign by acts considered dangerous to security. Encyclopedia Britannica
Dear Tyrranical Blowhard:
1) "malice of forethought" If you knew criminal law, you'd know that it's "malice aforethought" not "malice of forethought". That said, you misuse the term so badly as to make it clear that you don't know the law.
2) There's a document you may have heard of, called the Constitution. It defines treason differently than you.
3) If everyone was as stupid as you then any suggestions for improved security measures would be treason. The original poster is pointing out that they're relying on an ineffective technique, and that such reliance is likely to endanger our troops.
Posts like the these should be commended as true security is achieved through transparent and demonstrable means. If your security measures need to be secret, that only means that they have weaknesses and should be improved. Would you consider it treason if I suggested we build a wall with Mexico? I bet not! So you're either a hypocrite or a racist.
I sincerely hope that you'll recognize that you are nothing but a useless, free-speech hating blowhard. That the Constitution is specifically designed to protect people like the original poster against fascist imbeciles like you.
Yes sir, you are the living image of what the founding fathers feared. A reactionary fascist idiot with no sense of priority or scale.
I hope you die soon, so that you can stop harming the country you claim to like. Read Ordinary Men sometime. It's the story of a Police Battalion that shot Jews in Poland. You'll quickly see that the holocaust happened because of people like you.
You are dangerous and idiotic. I sincerely hope that you die before you can infect any body else with your anti-american communist ideals.