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Posted by RetCopInGA
- Oct 08, 2014, 04:36 PMQuoteQuote from: LAPD77 on Apr 17, 2014, 10:22 AMIf someone makes an admission like this in their post interview, will the examiner make a note and add it to their hiring packet?
Yes!QuoteI believe the situation above would fall under "childhood experimentation" and would not be held against anyone.
You're mistaken.QuoteI have a similar situation (age 9)that I had totally forgot about until recently when I was filling out a pre questionnaire packet. I have several friends in the department that I am applying for that may see my background hiring packet and them finding out that at age 9 i let a dog lick me would be quite embarrassing.
Thanks
You would be wise to keep that information to yourself.
I happen to agree with you. The caveat here is whether the BI investigator assigned to you is going to likely talk to anybody that accused you. If so, you may consider telling the truth up front. If not likely, just forget it. You were a kid
Posted by Old Timer
- Apr 18, 2014, 04:11 AMQuote from: LAPD77 on Apr 17, 2014, 10:22 AMIf someone makes an admission like this in their post interview, will the examiner make a note and add it to their hiring packet?
Yes!
QuoteI believe the situation above would fall under "childhood experimentation" and would not be held against anyone.
You're mistaken.
QuoteI have a similar situation (age 9)that I had totally forgot about until recently when I was filling out a pre questionnaire packet. I have several friends in the department that I am applying for that may see my background hiring packet and them finding out that at age 9 i let a dog lick me would be quite embarrassing.
Thanks
You would be wise to keep that information to yourself.
Posted by LAPD77
- Apr 17, 2014, 10:22 AMIf someone makes an admission like this in their post interview, will the examiner make a note and add it to their hiring packet? I believe the situation above would fall under "childhood experimentation" and would not be held against anyone. I have a similar situation (age 9)that I had totally forgot about until recently when I was filling out a pre questionnaire packet. I have several friends in the department that I am applying for that may see my background hiring packet and them finding out that at age 9 i let a dog lick me would be quite embarrassing.
Thanks
Thanks
Posted by sackett
- May 01, 2008, 10:45 PMQuote from: Texan126 on May 01, 2008, 06:54 PMQuote from: Texan126 on Apr 30, 2008, 07:22 PM"Tex",
My advice it to tell the examiner about it; otherwise, it will bother you during the test and you will fail over something really silly.
Sackett
Tex, let me translate for you. What Sackett really said, is that you can fail a polygraph despite telling the absolute truth on all the question, because of something silly that might be bothering you.
This old cops advice is to answer the questions honestly, and realize that you have no control over the process. If they fail you, they really don't think you are lying, they just suppose you are. In fact, most departments will let you re-test a later date, (meaning it's okay to try again, because deep down we know that the poly is worthless anyway, but we can't let you into the club at this moment, cause some machine put some squiggly lines on a piece of paper, afterwhich a trade school graduate opined that those squiggly lines meant you lied to him.
Of course, what most administers don't know and don't care either, is the fact that thier polygrapher lies to the candidates, but you see, he is a member of the club, and it's okay to lie if you are already a member of the club.
Food for thought.
"n.p.c.",
do not suppose to interpret my statements. You are hardly qualified to do so. Besides; you are always wrong...
You said, "This old cops advice is to answer the questions honestly..."
Dang! Ain't that what I said first? Gee, a little of me must be rubbing off on you... better go take a shower so you get back on track with the boys!
Sackett
Posted by nopolycop
- May 01, 2008, 06:54 PMQuote from: Texan126 on Apr 30, 2008, 07:22 PM"Tex",
My advice it to tell the examiner about it; otherwise, it will bother you during the test and you will fail over something really silly.
Sackett
Tex, let me translate for you. What Sackett really said, is that you can fail a polygraph despite telling the absolute truth on all the question, because of something silly that might be bothering you.
This old cops advice is to answer the questions honestly, and realize that you have no control over the process. If they fail you, they really don't think you are lying, they just suppose you are. In fact, most departments will let you re-test a later date, (meaning it's okay to try again, because deep down we know that the poly is worthless anyway, but we can't let you into the club at this moment, cause some machine put some squiggly lines on a piece of paper, afterwhich a trade school graduate opined that those squiggly lines meant you lied to him.
Of course, what most administers don't know and don't care either, is the fact that thier polygrapher lies to the candidates, but you see, he is a member of the club, and it's okay to lie if you are already a member of the club.
Food for thought.
Posted by sackett
- May 01, 2008, 02:10 PMHey Tex,
what you have reported here is part of the unlaful sexual activity questions at most dept's. Just tell them the truth and you shouldn't have any problems, for the reasons I suggest above. They may not ask.
Follow the advice on this board, try to beat the examiner and you'll more than likely get caught, and not get the position. Why? because we examiners like to think that if someone is trying to cheat on a test, ANY TEST, there is a reason!
You decide what is right but if you choose the wrong path, don't come whining here, cause I'll say I told you so...
Sackett
what you have reported here is part of the unlaful sexual activity questions at most dept's. Just tell them the truth and you shouldn't have any problems, for the reasons I suggest above. They may not ask.
Follow the advice on this board, try to beat the examiner and you'll more than likely get caught, and not get the position. Why? because we examiners like to think that if someone is trying to cheat on a test, ANY TEST, there is a reason!
You decide what is right but if you choose the wrong path, don't come whining here, cause I'll say I told you so...
Sackett
Posted by T.M. Cullen
- May 01, 2008, 01:06 AMQuoteBoth of these have bugged the hell out of me and im kinda worried about going through the hiring process. Im 24 now, so it was definetly a long time ago. Let me know if you guys think I should ever mention it during my background or polygraph.
Depends on what question they ask you, and whether it is a "relevant" vs "control" question. For example, a quesition like "have ever done anything your are embarassed about" is likely to be a control question. If you "react" more to a "control" question, than a "relevant" question, you are less likely to fail.
Read "The Lie Behind the Lie Detector" and learn what you can about polygraph process.
http://antipolygraph.org/lie-behind-the-lie-detector.pdf
TC
Posted by sackett
- Apr 30, 2008, 07:22 PM"Tex",
if that's your only personal issues, you are welcome to apply with my dept.
If polygraph examiners who conducted pre-employment tests told all they hear, it would make the Catholic priest scandal look "normal." My advice it to tell the examiner about it; otherwise, it will bother you during the test and you will fail over something really silly.
Sexual explorations and experimentations are "normal" for children. Get it off your chest so you won't have any issues. While embarrassing today, this is hardly "abnormal" activity in the real world.
Good luck,
Sackett
if that's your only personal issues, you are welcome to apply with my dept.
If polygraph examiners who conducted pre-employment tests told all they hear, it would make the Catholic priest scandal look "normal." My advice it to tell the examiner about it; otherwise, it will bother you during the test and you will fail over something really silly.
Sexual explorations and experimentations are "normal" for children. Get it off your chest so you won't have any issues. While embarrassing today, this is hardly "abnormal" activity in the real world.
Good luck,
Sackett
Posted by Texan126
- Apr 30, 2008, 06:27 PMI will try to make this as brief as possible and hopefully, people can understand somewhat where I am coming from. I have two things im concerned about with the hiring process through PD.
I dont know if I should bring up any of this information during the Background/Polygraph or just lie about it.
Of course when I was younger (around 9) I watched a movie that had some guy talking about putting peanut butter on his balls and having the dog lick them. I had to try it to know what they were talking about. You can laugh, not a problem.
When I was 14, I had a family member who had seen a movie on HBO. She was only 12, but had taken off my pants while I was sleeping and started messing around with me. I woke up scared, didnt know what to do, and just layed there. Her aunt walked in and of course accused me. They asked her what she was doing and she told them what she saw on tv. Of course I was blamed for it and I have always had this guilty conscience about it.
Both of these have bugged the hell out of me and im kinda worried about going through the hiring process. Im 24 now, so it was definetly a long time ago. Let me know if you guys think I should ever mention it during my background or polygraph.
I dont know if I should bring up any of this information during the Background/Polygraph or just lie about it.
Of course when I was younger (around 9) I watched a movie that had some guy talking about putting peanut butter on his balls and having the dog lick them. I had to try it to know what they were talking about. You can laugh, not a problem.
When I was 14, I had a family member who had seen a movie on HBO. She was only 12, but had taken off my pants while I was sleeping and started messing around with me. I woke up scared, didnt know what to do, and just layed there. Her aunt walked in and of course accused me. They asked her what she was doing and she told them what she saw on tv. Of course I was blamed for it and I have always had this guilty conscience about it.
Both of these have bugged the hell out of me and im kinda worried about going through the hiring process. Im 24 now, so it was definetly a long time ago. Let me know if you guys think I should ever mention it during my background or polygraph.