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Posted by frustrated
 - Apr 19, 2008, 01:33 PM
Quote from: Frustrated on Apr 19, 2008, 01:02 PMfrustrated,

the principle is that if you fail at one question, you fail the entire test.
Without going into the details, there is something to what you just said in respect to my situation.  Also, thank you for the polite, non-accusatory response.  I really just want to fix this.
QuoteAre you being given another examination?  If so, don't try to augment your responses, or else when caught, you will be judged a cheat and certainly not given the position.
Yes I am. I spoke with my boss-to-be and when I explained all the details from start to finish he was amazed and angry that things had happened the way they did. Boss didn't go into details, but looking back on it, I think there were a number of small details that got screwed up in my exam that snowballed into one giant CF.
Posted by sackett
 - Apr 19, 2008, 01:02 PM
frustrated,

the principle is that if you fail at one question, you fail the entire test.  I don't know anyone in my past experience that failed ALL screening questions I asked.  One, maybe two but not all of them.

Are you being given another examination?  If so, don't try to augment your responses, or else when caught, you will be judged a cheat and certainly not given the position.

Sackett
Posted by frustrated
 - Apr 19, 2008, 12:18 PM
Yeah, I figured from your user id that you were pulling my leg.  There are obviously more details to the examination that would explain the "all relevant questions" and I don't want to go into them.  Suffice to say, in addition to the CQ issue, I think the examiner also failed to properly prepare me.  I'm not looking to get into a p***ing contest with the pro-poly people... They say their science is valid, fine; even with the claimed 90+% accuracy rate, and for the sake of argument I'll accept that as an acceptable rate in the protection of national secrets and as the best "imperfect" solution. Nonetheless, there is still ~10% rate of screw-ups, and for the sake of argument and clearing the air and being honest with the examiner, I just want to hear what their suggestions would be to handling that kind of issue for someone who doesn't want to use countermeasures but who knows he's being asked a PL CQ to which his expected response is also the honest response.  Tell the examiner to use a control method other than the known/probable lie?
Posted by nopolycop
 - Apr 19, 2008, 11:46 AM
Quote from: Frustrated on Apr 19, 2008, 11:01 AMOkay, for the pro-poly people out there (and anyone else).  I just had a screening polygraph and was told I was deceptive in response to all of the relevant questions.  (You can believe that or not, I don't care, but it's not really important to the question below.)

Since then, I've done a some research and identified both of the control questions I was asked.  If I know the two probable or "known" lie control questions are both questions to which I can provide the expected response honestly, and therefore not trigger the fight-or-flight response, what should I do?  Tell the examiner to think up some new control questions?  Or just accept the fact that I've been FUBARed?

I think you are a lying rat-f**k who doesn't deserve a job as a Wal-Mart greeter, let alone the job yo uapplied for.  All relevant quesitons?  No way you were the victim of a false-positive, because polygraphs are 95+ percent accurate, and assuming there were 5 relevant questions, that would mean the chances that you were the victim of a false positive would be less than the chance of being struck by lightening.  :o

BTW, since you are new here, you need to know I am just kidding.  Welcome to the FPC, (false postive club).
Posted by frustrated
 - Apr 19, 2008, 11:01 AM
Okay, for the pro-poly people out there (and anyone else).  I just had a screening polygraph and was told I was deceptive in response to all of the relevant questions.  (You can believe that or not, I don't care, but it's not really important to the question below.)

Since then, I've done a some research and identified both of the control questions I was asked.  If I know the two probable or "known" lie control questions are both questions to which I can provide the expected response honestly, and therefore not trigger the fight-or-flight response, what should I do?  Tell the examiner to think up some new control questions?  Or just accept the fact that I've been FUBARed?