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Posted by cat
- May 19, 2008, 10:12 PMhoorah!
Posted by nopolycop
- Apr 07, 2008, 05:27 PMYou have already failed their polygraph twice. They are not going to retest you out of the goodness of their black suited hearts. After second thought, though, don't waste your money on an attorney, either, you are SOL. Anything you do is a waste of time, move on with your liife. That's my advice, take it for what it is worth.
Posted by applicant55
- Apr 07, 2008, 02:09 PMQuote from: sackett on Apr 07, 2008, 10:51 AMI would suggest a letter coming from your attorney. It will get much more attention than one yourself.Are you suggesting that I get a lawyer to draft my request to be retested? I appreciate the advice, but my understanding is that granting a retest request is a subjective decision and I'm concerned that too harsh of a letter will not be received well. I know it's a long shot, but I still want to try and get this job!
Posted by nopolycop
- Apr 07, 2008, 10:51 AMI would suggest a letter coming from your attorney. It will get much more attention than one yourself. Explain in the letter in clear terms what you are asking for, and that you expect a response within a reasonable amout of time, (setting a date) or an explanation by said date as to why they cannot fulfill your request for information.
Posted by applicant55
- Apr 03, 2008, 03:52 PMQuote from: sackett on Apr 01, 2008, 11:48 AMYou'll want to be sure to contest the polygraph results in writing.Does anyone have a good example letter or template to use for disputing the results and requesting a re-test?
Also, should I file a Privacy Act request? And if so, should I do this concurrent with the dispute/re-test letter or should I wait until after the "appeal" process is concluded?
Posted by nopolycop
- Apr 01, 2008, 05:33 PMQuote from: sackett on Apr 01, 2008, 03:32 PMQuote from: sackett on Apr 01, 2008, 01:37 PMI know several retired FBI agents, none of them were happy, and they all retired as soon as they could.Without going into specifics, part of my job at the FBI would have been to change that mentality (futile or not)!
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated...
Posted by applicant55
- Apr 01, 2008, 03:32 PMQuote from: sackett on Apr 01, 2008, 01:37 PMI know several retired FBI agents, none of them were happy, and they all retired as soon as they could.Without going into specifics, part of my job at the FBI would have been to change that mentality (futile or not)!
Posted by nopolycop
- Apr 01, 2008, 01:37 PMQuote from: sackett on Apr 01, 2008, 11:34 AMUPDATE:
I just found out that I failed the 2nd polygraph. I'm sure it comes as no surprise to many on this board, but I was 100% truthful on the relevant questions. What a sad, sad day!
When you told them how the test worked, and they knew that you knew, you were destined to fail. You see, the FBI will not tolerate individualist thinking. The FBI is like the Borg, (you will be assimilated). If you fight assimilation, you will be killed, (or in this instance, not hired).
I know several retired FBI agents, none of them were happy, and they all retired as soon as they could. You are better off...
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Apr 01, 2008, 11:48 AMapplicant55,
I am saddened, but not surprised, to learn of this (all too common) outcome. You'll want to be sure to contest the polygraph results in writing. If you ever apply for any job that requires a security clearance, your FBI file will be checked and the fact that you "failed a lie detector test" will come to the attention of adjudicators. Your letter disputing the polygrapher's accusation that you lied should be added to your FBI file and is important for the purpose of documenting your disagreement with the results.
I am saddened, but not surprised, to learn of this (all too common) outcome. You'll want to be sure to contest the polygraph results in writing. If you ever apply for any job that requires a security clearance, your FBI file will be checked and the fact that you "failed a lie detector test" will come to the attention of adjudicators. Your letter disputing the polygrapher's accusation that you lied should be added to your FBI file and is important for the purpose of documenting your disagreement with the results.
Posted by applicant55
- Apr 01, 2008, 11:34 AMUPDATE:
I just found out that I failed the 2nd polygraph. I'm sure it comes as no surprise to many on this board, but I was 100% truthful on the relevant questions. What a sad, sad day!
I just found out that I failed the 2nd polygraph. I'm sure it comes as no surprise to many on this board, but I was 100% truthful on the relevant questions. What a sad, sad day!
Posted by Twoblock
- Mar 28, 2008, 02:01 PMSackett
Glad you reminded of poetry being written about you.
Here's some more. Written good-naturedly of coarse at you're expense. Another office hanger for you. Hope you take it as lightly as it was written.
Last verse of "The Boxer" My favorite song of Simon & Garfunkel.
"The Polygrapher"
In the clearing stands a polygrapher
a liar by his trade
and he carries the reminder
of every CM that put him down or cut him til he cried out
In his anger and his shame
"I am leaving, I am leaving"
but the polygrapher still remains - ooh la la-la lalala
Lie lie-lie , lie lie lie lie lie-lie lie, lie lie
I have the other verses done, but don't have the time to print.
Glad you reminded of poetry being written about you.
Here's some more. Written good-naturedly of coarse at you're expense. Another office hanger for you. Hope you take it as lightly as it was written.
Last verse of "The Boxer" My favorite song of Simon & Garfunkel.
"The Polygrapher"
In the clearing stands a polygrapher
a liar by his trade
and he carries the reminder
of every CM that put him down or cut him til he cried out
In his anger and his shame
"I am leaving, I am leaving"
but the polygrapher still remains - ooh la la-la lalala
Lie lie-lie , lie lie lie lie lie-lie lie, lie lie
I have the other verses done, but don't have the time to print.
Posted by notguilty1
- Mar 28, 2008, 11:18 AMQuote from: sackett on Mar 28, 2008, 11:09 AMQuote from: sackett on Mar 23, 2008, 12:25 AMQuoteThe aspect of his experience he is likely trying to "figure out" is how he could be truthful during his polygraph and not pass with flying colors.
I think that would be enough to make any reasonable person doubt the accuracy of the polygraph.
Well thats just rubbish!
How could one tell the truth yet fail.
You are misleading the innocent.
Sackett knows what is talking about. If one were telling the truth, he'd know it.
You must be one of those venomous "antis".
TC
Oh yeah!? Well, well, uh.... well, you don't have poetry written about you, now do ya!???
Gotta admit that is true! And funny man!
Posted by sackett
- Mar 28, 2008, 11:09 AMQuote from: sackett on Mar 23, 2008, 12:25 AMQuoteThe aspect of his experience he is likely trying to "figure out" is how he could be truthful during his polygraph and not pass with flying colors.
I think that would be enough to make any reasonable person doubt the accuracy of the polygraph.
Well thats just rubbish!
How could one tell the truth yet fail.
You are misleading the innocent.
Sackett knows what is talking about. If one were telling the truth, he'd know it.
You must be one of those venomous "antis".
TC
Oh yeah!? Well, well, uh.... well, you don't have poetry written about you, now do ya!???
Posted by notguilty1
- Mar 23, 2008, 12:33 AMQuote from: sackett on Mar 23, 2008, 12:22 AMQuote from: applicant55 on Mar 22, 2008, 10:19 AMSarge,
it seems to me that being 100% truthful is NOT something one has to "figure out."
Sackett
The aspect of his experience he is likely trying to "figure out" is how he could be truthful during his polygraph and not pass with flying colors.
I think that would be enough to make any reasonable person doubt the accuracy of the polygraph.
Hey Sarge,
Well see, we all understand what your saying and it makes perfect sense, except of course ..... Sakett!!
He doesen't know how many examinees have passed because they were truthfull in thier answers as he doesn't know how many failed even though they were truthfull. Unless you want to believe that his
" answer anaylisis" is even more accurate than the Polygraph.
Posted by T.M. Cullen
- Mar 23, 2008, 12:25 AMQuoteThe aspect of his experience he is likely trying to "figure out" is how he could be truthful during his polygraph and not pass with flying colors.
I think that would be enough to make any reasonable person doubt the accuracy of the polygraph.
Well thats just rubbish!
How could one tell the truth yet fail.
You are misleading the innocent.
Sackett knows what is talking about. If one were telling the truth, he'd know it.
You must be one of those venomous "antis".
TC