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Posted by Wonder_Woman
- Oct 09, 2007, 09:34 AMI know the joke. Thats why I asked.
Posted by 1904
- Oct 09, 2007, 04:02 AMQuote from: Wonder_Woman on Oct 08, 2007, 08:51 PMMN thats funny - on an anit site and saying 'whats a cm'?
BTW, 1904, do you hunt bear?
No, I hunt fully clothed.
If you dont know the joke - i'll be happy to PM it to you.
Its clean.
Posted by rice80
- Oct 08, 2007, 11:47 PMQuote from: Paradiddle on Oct 08, 2007, 11:32 PMQuote from: majikninja on Oct 08, 2007, 11:16 PMI dont think that me smoking 3 joints within a 1 month time span 2 and 3/4 years ago is a cronic use.
Who is to say just how much you smoked. Was there any coke in those doobs chief? Was it 4 jays and not 3---or was it bong hits over the weeks and you are saying "joints" to sound like less a "comfort user." Honestly, the weed use shows a lack of maturity and discipline. As a cop, you have to enforce all kinds of laws that may seem nonsensical----like marijuana laws for example. I bet you think because you know so much about drugs that such knowledge would make you a lethal enforcer. This is college kid folly my man-----ya don't have to be a crook to reasonably think like one----you just have to pretend to be stupid. Which is exactly what you did far too recently. LE agencies can get strong, reasonably intelligent () drug free applicants without needing to delve into hiring the witty recovering stoner who is a fantastic pretender and hasn't quite got the short-term memory back to cloudless full capacity yet.
Go clean for 5 years, then I'll be more impressed, and so will the fuzz.
majikninja,
If thats all you did then stick to your story, As Paradiddle says in his opening statement, dont let them try and convince you in to thinking you tryed it more then you actually did. but he also makes a good point at the end, you have to show that you are clean for several years before the investigators will really believe you, but dont let that stop you from applying again. Also Paradiddle, it has been proven through psycholgy that most cops and criminal minds think alike, thus the phrase it takes one to catch one. The only difference is most cops know our purpose and desire not to act in the criminal way. We use our intelect to catch the wrong-doers and not become them.
rice
Posted by Paradiddle
- Oct 08, 2007, 11:32 PMQuote from: majikninja on Oct 08, 2007, 11:16 PMI dont think that me smoking 3 joints within a 1 month time span 2 and 3/4 years ago is a cronic use.
Who is to say just how much you smoked. Was there any coke in those doobs chief? Was it 4 jays and not 3---or was it bong hits over the weeks and you are saying "joints" to sound like less a "comfort user." Honestly, the weed use shows a lack of maturity and discipline. As a cop, you have to enforce all kinds of laws that may seem nonsensical----like marijuana laws for example. I bet you think because you know so much about drugs that such knowledge would make you a lethal enforcer. This is college kid folly my man-----ya don't have to be a crook to reasonably think like one----you just have to pretend to be stupid. Which is exactly what you did far too recently. LE agencies can get strong, reasonably intelligent (
) drug free applicants without needing to delve into hiring the witty recovering stoner who is a fantastic pretender and hasn't quite got the short-term memory back to cloudless full capacity yet.Go clean for 5 years, then I'll be more impressed, and so will the fuzz.
Posted by majikninja
- Oct 08, 2007, 11:29 PMI didn't even know this board exsisted until about a week ago, when I started to get different people telling me things about the polygraph. My Poly was a month ago so I started to wonder about how it worked and started to try and do some research and came across this site. After reading the board tonight and seeing that a CM=Counter measure and being accused that I did from some people on the board(which I didn't, I showed up straight from my job ready to get the test over with so I could move forward in my application progress). For anyone on this board that may be a Polygraphist I am not knocking Polygraphist in general, I was just told that the Polygraphist I got from my Law Enforcement friends and teachers, that he did things that were questionable. All I was looking for on here was that were some of his actions that he did during the test questionable. I respect people that are Polygraphists as a profession, I was just looking for some answers about what I had gone through.
Posted by rice80
- Oct 08, 2007, 11:25 PMQuote from: majikninja on Oct 08, 2007, 11:16 PMI dont think that me smoking 3 joints within a 1 month time span 2 and 3/4 years ago is a cronic use.
your right that is not consider cronic use.
Posted by rice80
- Oct 08, 2007, 11:23 PMQuote from: majikninja on Oct 08, 2007, 11:16 PMI dont think that me smoking 3 joints within a 1 month time span 2 and 3/4 years ago is a cronic use.
Well you did the right thing. Educate your self and then go back and take it again with a defferent dept. Don't be so nervous. Poly's are mostly an interragation tool. A confessional so to speak.
rice
Posted by rice80
- Oct 08, 2007, 11:18 PMParadiddle,
I also experimented with weed many years ago before becoming a cop. I have since made large busts in my career envolving different kinds of Scedule I and II drugs with out ever coming to my mind that I may want to partake in any of the substances. Banks also wont hired you if you have jacked up credit either, but this isn't a site for banks.
rice
I also experimented with weed many years ago before becoming a cop. I have since made large busts in my career envolving different kinds of Scedule I and II drugs with out ever coming to my mind that I may want to partake in any of the substances. Banks also wont hired you if you have jacked up credit either, but this isn't a site for banks.
rice
Posted by majikninja
- Oct 08, 2007, 11:16 PMI dont think that me smoking 3 joints within a 1 month time span 2 and 3/4 years ago is a cronic use.
Posted by rice80
- Oct 08, 2007, 11:14 PMQuote from: Paradiddle on Oct 08, 2007, 11:08 PMQuote from: rice80 on Oct 08, 2007, 09:41 PMQuote from: majikninja on Oct 07, 2007, 04:26 PMI recently applied for a Police Department, and I feel that I got a screw job from the Polygraphist. When I talked to me friends that had gone through the Polygraph and talked to my teachers in my criminal justice classes they all told me that I got the Polygraphist from Hell. Okay so here's what happened.
I showed up and Hour early for the test only to be told that the Detective that is going to do my Polygraph test is going to be a half and hour late, I was like that's not a big deal I understand that they get busy. When the Detective finally shows up he takes me back to a closed room and has me read and sign consent paper advising me of my rights, that I could walk out during the middle of my test if I so choose. I was there to tell the truth everything that they asked I answered in full and held nothing back no matter how embarrassing it was.
The test seem to go immediately down hill from the start. The Detective starts telling me that he had no reason to fail me that day, that I need to be honest so I would not be like the guy that I saw walk out of the office before me who failed. When he said that a red flag went up because I thought they weren't allowed to talk about others peoples results to another person, or at least not to a member of the public or another applicant.
It seems like the Detective try's to get me to calm down because I was a little nervous, only to then turn around and start using scare tactics to make me want to tell the truth. The Detective starts telling me that the Department has a 15% pass rate and an 85% fail rate when it comes to the polygraph. He then goes on to tell me that if I am not honest and I fail the test that I might was well look for a different career field and change my college major because no Police Department in the Country will want me including Federal Agencies. Right then I start getting even more nervous because now I'm like all the hard work I have put into school will go right down the drain if I fail.
So we went through the packet of 250 questions so he could edit me a test just for me which came out to be about 7 questions. He gave me a break and I came back and he strapped me into the Polygraph machine, only to state again that if I fail this test that my career in Law Enforcement would be over before it would even start. We started the test and go through it the first time, he tells me that I'm moving too much. It was kind of hard to stay still the first time because the arms of the chair was so low that I couldn't really balance my self and stay completely still. He immediately tells me it looks like I'm being deceptive, he asks me if I can tell him what I'm holding back and I tell him nothing.
We start it again and this time he asks me to close my eyes and try to stay still, the blood pressure piece on my arm was so tight that I started to have spasms in my fingers and my arm felt like it was going to pop. Again he accused me of being deceptive, I was like I'm telling you everything I have nothing to hide, you told me if I wanted this job I had to tell you everything to prove that I have integrity. I admitted to stupid stuff I did when I was younger including minor use of marijuana. So he said okay we are going to run the test one last time, I was like okay go for it I'm hiding nothing.
We went through it and again at the end he told me I was being deceptive. When we finished the test he told me that it looks like I'm being deceptive and that he would have to look at it some more. He told me that I was being deceptive on "have you used narcotics within the past year?", I told him no that I had been clean for almost 3 years. I was like if that's the only part that looks deceptive then how can I pass the parts "have you ever lied to a person of law authority?" and have I been 100% honest with him that day.
While I was leaving he told me that if I thought of anything on why I was setting the system off to email him and tell him. Then he also wanted to try and be buddy, buddy and talk to me about my Uncle that had worked in the Department. I left and felt like I had been labeled a liar for telling the complete and honest truth, I asked my friend how his test went and he said he was never told that if he failed his career would be over before it started. So anyway I finally get a letter in the mail today to tell me that I am not up to the Departments standards and that I can never apply for the Department again. I feel like I got screwed for telling the truth, and that I got the Polygraphist from hell who made me more nervous then when I had first gotten there.
Sounds like that dumbass p/g examiner tryed to use a bunch of scare tactics on you not to mention he sounds like an asshole and he shouldn't have been telling you info on another applicant.. Sorry to hear you didnt get hired. I suggest you read up on their bs tactics and try again. Don't give up majikninja, I didn't. It took me 2 1/2 years and 4 poly's later before I was hired with a dept. I, like you told the complete truth, was nervous as hell, and was still branded a liar. It wasn't until I came to understand how the machine works and learn the real truth behind the polygraph that I was able to pass. Reguardless of what the other p/g exminers say on these threads, Truthful/ Honest people get branded as liars and thus get knocked out of the LE process. Keep your head up and try again. Knowledge is a wonderful thing.
rice
Rice, your buddy here was rejected for smoking weed 2 and 3/4 (have you ever heard anything so silly?) years ago. You can't get a job as a bank teller with that kind of track record. C'mon, you really think this guy can be trusted to seize large quantities of "kind buds" and not partake. Stress is a trigger for substance use, and cop jobs and cop pay, and cop hours are very stressful and provide powerful triggers for recovering "former" users. GMAF'n Break! This guy had the stink of DQ all over him----cop shops don't like recovering stoners.
Paradiddle,
He was a college kid, tell me who doesn't smoke weed or try it in college? I don't know maybe I'm giving this kid too much of a break. Paradiddle your right, LE doesn't like cronic pot users and this is a stressful job indeed, but a background check with his previous employers should help to clear up his employment habits and history. I still think he got a raw deal on his poly simply because he didn't know the process or what to expect.
rice
Posted by Paradiddle
- Oct 08, 2007, 11:08 PMQuote from: rice80 on Oct 08, 2007, 09:41 PMQuote from: majikninja on Oct 07, 2007, 04:26 PMI recently applied for a Police Department, and I feel that I got a screw job from the Polygraphist. When I talked to me friends that had gone through the Polygraph and talked to my teachers in my criminal justice classes they all told me that I got the Polygraphist from Hell. Okay so here's what happened.
I showed up and Hour early for the test only to be told that the Detective that is going to do my Polygraph test is going to be a half and hour late, I was like that's not a big deal I understand that they get busy. When the Detective finally shows up he takes me back to a closed room and has me read and sign consent paper advising me of my rights, that I could walk out during the middle of my test if I so choose. I was there to tell the truth everything that they asked I answered in full and held nothing back no matter how embarrassing it was.
The test seem to go immediately down hill from the start. The Detective starts telling me that he had no reason to fail me that day, that I need to be honest so I would not be like the guy that I saw walk out of the office before me who failed. When he said that a red flag went up because I thought they weren't allowed to talk about others peoples results to another person, or at least not to a member of the public or another applicant.
It seems like the Detective try's to get me to calm down because I was a little nervous, only to then turn around and start using scare tactics to make me want to tell the truth. The Detective starts telling me that the Department has a 15% pass rate and an 85% fail rate when it comes to the polygraph. He then goes on to tell me that if I am not honest and I fail the test that I might was well look for a different career field and change my college major because no Police Department in the Country will want me including Federal Agencies. Right then I start getting even more nervous because now I'm like all the hard work I have put into school will go right down the drain if I fail.
So we went through the packet of 250 questions so he could edit me a test just for me which came out to be about 7 questions. He gave me a break and I came back and he strapped me into the Polygraph machine, only to state again that if I fail this test that my career in Law Enforcement would be over before it would even start. We started the test and go through it the first time, he tells me that I'm moving too much. It was kind of hard to stay still the first time because the arms of the chair was so low that I couldn't really balance my self and stay completely still. He immediately tells me it looks like I'm being deceptive, he asks me if I can tell him what I'm holding back and I tell him nothing.
We start it again and this time he asks me to close my eyes and try to stay still, the blood pressure piece on my arm was so tight that I started to have spasms in my fingers and my arm felt like it was going to pop. Again he accused me of being deceptive, I was like I'm telling you everything I have nothing to hide, you told me if I wanted this job I had to tell you everything to prove that I have integrity. I admitted to stupid stuff I did when I was younger including minor use of marijuana. So he said okay we are going to run the test one last time, I was like okay go for it I'm hiding nothing.
We went through it and again at the end he told me I was being deceptive. When we finished the test he told me that it looks like I'm being deceptive and that he would have to look at it some more. He told me that I was being deceptive on "have you used narcotics within the past year?", I told him no that I had been clean for almost 3 years. I was like if that's the only part that looks deceptive then how can I pass the parts "have you ever lied to a person of law authority?" and have I been 100% honest with him that day.
While I was leaving he told me that if I thought of anything on why I was setting the system off to email him and tell him. Then he also wanted to try and be buddy, buddy and talk to me about my Uncle that had worked in the Department. I left and felt like I had been labeled a liar for telling the complete and honest truth, I asked my friend how his test went and he said he was never told that if he failed his career would be over before it started. So anyway I finally get a letter in the mail today to tell me that I am not up to the Departments standards and that I can never apply for the Department again. I feel like I got screwed for telling the truth, and that I got the Polygraphist from hell who made me more nervous then when I had first gotten there.
Sounds like that dumbass p/g examiner tryed to use a bunch of scare tactics on you not to mention he sounds like an asshole and he shouldn't have been telling you info on another applicant.. Sorry to hear you didnt get hired. I suggest you read up on their bs tactics and try again. Don't give up majikninja, I didn't. It took me 2 1/2 years and 4 poly's later before I was hired with a dept. I, like you told the complete truth, was nervous as hell, and was still branded a liar. It wasn't until I came to understand how the machine works and learn the real truth behind the polygraph that I was able to pass. Reguardless of what the other p/g exminers say on these threads, Truthful/ Honest people get branded as liars and thus get knocked out of the LE process. Keep your head up and try again. Knowledge is a wonderful thing.
rice
Rice, your buddy here was rejected for smoking weed 2 and 3/4 (have you ever heard anything so silly?) years ago. You can't get a job as a bank teller with that kind of track record. C'mon, you really think this guy can be trusted to seize large quantities of "kind buds" and not partake. Stress is a trigger for substance use, and cop jobs and cop pay, and cop hours are very stressful and provide powerful triggers for recovering "former" users. GMAF'n Break! This guy had the stink of DQ all over him----cop shops don't like recovering stoners. $20 says poly had no or very little role in his DQ.
2 cents
Posted by rice80
- Oct 08, 2007, 09:41 PMQuote from: majikninja on Oct 07, 2007, 04:26 PMI recently applied for a Police Department, and I feel that I got a screw job from the Polygraphist. When I talked to me friends that had gone through the Polygraph and talked to my teachers in my criminal justice classes they all told me that I got the Polygraphist from Hell. Okay so here's what happened.
I showed up and Hour early for the test only to be told that the Detective that is going to do my Polygraph test is going to be a half and hour late, I was like that's not a big deal I understand that they get busy. When the Detective finally shows up he takes me back to a closed room and has me read and sign consent paper advising me of my rights, that I could walk out during the middle of my test if I so choose. I was there to tell the truth everything that they asked I answered in full and held nothing back no matter how embarrassing it was.
The test seem to go immediately down hill from the start. The Detective starts telling me that he had no reason to fail me that day, that I need to be honest so I would not be like the guy that I saw walk out of the office before me who failed. When he said that a red flag went up because I thought they weren't allowed to talk about others peoples results to another person, or at least not to a member of the public or another applicant.
It seems like the Detective try's to get me to calm down because I was a little nervous, only to then turn around and start using scare tactics to make me want to tell the truth. The Detective starts telling me that the Department has a 15% pass rate and an 85% fail rate when it comes to the polygraph. He then goes on to tell me that if I am not honest and I fail the test that I might was well look for a different career field and change my college major because no Police Department in the Country will want me including Federal Agencies. Right then I start getting even more nervous because now I'm like all the hard work I have put into school will go right down the drain if I fail.
So we went through the packet of 250 questions so he could edit me a test just for me which came out to be about 7 questions. He gave me a break and I came back and he strapped me into the Polygraph machine, only to state again that if I fail this test that my career in Law Enforcement would be over before it would even start. We started the test and go through it the first time, he tells me that I'm moving too much. It was kind of hard to stay still the first time because the arms of the chair was so low that I couldn't really balance my self and stay completely still. He immediately tells me it looks like I'm being deceptive, he asks me if I can tell him what I'm holding back and I tell him nothing.
We start it again and this time he asks me to close my eyes and try to stay still, the blood pressure piece on my arm was so tight that I started to have spasms in my fingers and my arm felt like it was going to pop. Again he accused me of being deceptive, I was like I'm telling you everything I have nothing to hide, you told me if I wanted this job I had to tell you everything to prove that I have integrity. I admitted to stupid stuff I did when I was younger including minor use of marijuana. So he said okay we are going to run the test one last time, I was like okay go for it I'm hiding nothing.
We went through it and again at the end he told me I was being deceptive. When we finished the test he told me that it looks like I'm being deceptive and that he would have to look at it some more. He told me that I was being deceptive on "have you used narcotics within the past year?", I told him no that I had been clean for almost 3 years. I was like if that's the only part that looks deceptive then how can I pass the parts "have you ever lied to a person of law authority?" and have I been 100% honest with him that day.
While I was leaving he told me that if I thought of anything on why I was setting the system off to email him and tell him. Then he also wanted to try and be buddy, buddy and talk to me about my Uncle that had worked in the Department. I left and felt like I had been labeled a liar for telling the complete and honest truth, I asked my friend how his test went and he said he was never told that if he failed his career would be over before it started. So anyway I finally get a letter in the mail today to tell me that I am not up to the Departments standards and that I can never apply for the Department again. I feel like I got screwed for telling the truth, and that I got the Polygraphist from hell who made me more nervous then when I had first gotten there.
Sounds like that dumbass p/g examiner tryed to use a bunch of scare tactics on you not to mention he sounds like an asshole and he shouldn't have been telling you info on another applicant.. Sorry to hear you didnt get hired. I suggest you read up on their bs tactics and try again. Don't give up majikninja, I didn't. It took me 2 1/2 years and 4 poly's later before I was hired with a dept. I, like you told the complete truth, was nervous as hell, and was still branded a liar. It wasn't until I came to understand how the machine works and learn the real truth behind the polygraph that I was able to pass. Reguardless of what the other p/g exminers say on these threads, Truthful/ Honest people get branded as liars and thus get knocked out of the LE process. Keep your head up and try again. Knowledge is a wonderful thing.
rice
Posted by Wonder_Woman
- Oct 08, 2007, 08:51 PMMN thats funny - on an anit site and saying 'whats a cm'?
BTW, 1904, do you hunt bear?
BTW, 1904, do you hunt bear?
Posted by majikninja
- Oct 08, 2007, 03:35 PM* only used marijuana 3 times about 2 and 3/4 years ago, thats what I mean by 3 years. (No other drugs ever) And drug cut off was 12 months for the department.
* I never researched about a polygraph before, so I assumed that I would have no problem from taking the test since I was there to tell the truth no matter how embarassing, so i could get the job.
* I wrote on this bored because I wanted to just see if what I went through my test was normal for everyone else or if anyone else went through it.
* I have had no criminal history or any situations dealing with Law Enforcement except for working security.
And by the way what is CM'S? I am confused on that. I tried nothing except sitting down in the chair and telling the truth, I really wanted the job, so if I was told that if I lie I dont get anything and lose everything why would I lie.
* I never researched about a polygraph before, so I assumed that I would have no problem from taking the test since I was there to tell the truth no matter how embarassing, so i could get the job.
* I wrote on this bored because I wanted to just see if what I went through my test was normal for everyone else or if anyone else went through it.
* I have had no criminal history or any situations dealing with Law Enforcement except for working security.
And by the way what is CM'S? I am confused on that. I tried nothing except sitting down in the chair and telling the truth, I really wanted the job, so if I was told that if I lie I dont get anything and lose everything why would I lie.
Posted by 1904
- Oct 08, 2007, 11:40 AMHey T,
You remind me of that quite funny old bear joke....with the excellent punchline:
"Lets face it. you're not coming here for the hunting, are you?"
You remind me of that quite funny old bear joke....with the excellent punchline:
"Lets face it. you're not coming here for the hunting, are you?"