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Posted by therock
 - Apr 05, 2002, 01:51 AM
If this was the same polygrapher at the same facility you discussed with me earlier, those questions he asked you regarding if something was bothering you was a ploy on his behalf.  He did the same thing to me.  Guess what, though.  I passed.  If it's the old man with the pot belly, then it's the same person.  I believe Irrelevants are not scored.  Anyway, I made the same mistake of using countermeasures on Irrelevants, and I still wound up passing.  There was a police officer who took the polygraph with me for a different agency and that same polygrapher criticized him of lying, and guess what, he received a polygraph failure notice 2 weeks after the polygraph exam.  I think the fact that there was no post test interrogation, and him not blasting you, in my opinion is a very encouraging sign.  
Posted by MissionPoly-ban
 - Apr 04, 2002, 06:01 PM
Thanks for your input George...

You state:
QuoteSometimes, a polygrapher may add a probable-lie "control" question to a relevant/irrelevant "test."

I believe that is what the examiner did...

There was only one recognizable control question thrown in.

My question to you is:

What if my reactions to some of the relevant questions were stronger than my reactions to the irrelevants,  yet clearly weaker than my reaction to the single control question?

Would it be likely that the examiner would find the charts to read non-deceptive because of the large reaction to the single control question used?  (The examiner actually used the same control question a couple of times in one chart).

Also,  you state:
QuoteAlso, the question asked at the end of each chart ("Did any questions I just asked bother you?") might also have been intended to serve as a kind of "control" question (like the "concealed control" questions in the General Question "Test" format that DoDPI once taught).

The examiner asked me this question (Did any of the question I just asked you bother you in any way?) after each chart was completed.  She asked me this after she had loosened the blood-pressure monitor,  and I was able to see that the polygraph chart was brought to a halt.  

If I was showing clear deception in a particular area (question),  would it be more probable that the examiner might ask me,  "Is anything bothering you about the gang-relations question that I just asked you" (for example),  rather than "Are any of the questions that I have asked you bothering you in any way?"

Netninioni the Jabronee




Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Apr 04, 2002, 04:54 PM
You may have been administered a relevant/irrelevant "test" rather than a probable-lie CQT. I'm not sure what effect any reactions to the irrelevant questions might have on how your polygrapher scores your charts. Typically, irrelevant questions are not scored, though it is conceivable that a polygrapher might take the size of any reactions to irrelevant questions into account in deciding how significant any reaction to a relevant question was.

Sometimes, a polygrapher may add a probable-lie "control" question to a relevant/irrelevant "test." Also, the question asked at the end of each chart ("Did any questions I just asked bother you?") might also have been intended to serve as a kind of "control" question (like the "concealed control" questions in the General Question "Test" format that DoDPI once taught).

The minus signs that your polygrapher put on the chart would indicate that each question thus marked was answered "no." A plus sign would indicate that the subject replied "yes" to a question.

Posted by MissionPoly-ban
 - Apr 03, 2002, 06:52 PM
1)

I made the mistake of using countermeasures on the irrelevant questions in a probable-lie test format (I got confused at first and then realized later that it was a control questions test).

Will it hurt me in any way that I used countermeasures on the irrelevants?  Will it help me in any way since my baseline will be higher?  


2)

Also,  is it possible to have a control question test with only ONE control question in it?  I swear I could only find one control question in the second two sets of questions (5 or six relevants,  3 or 4 irrelevants,  and ONE control question...is this possible?).....


3)

The examiner asked after each chart "Did any questions I just asked bother you?"

Was this a scare tactic to make me admit to other things since she didnt point out a particular question (such as "DId anything bother you about the question about drugs?")?


4)

ALso,  I noticed that after the running of the first two tests,
The examiner went through the list of questions and put a circled negative sign (kinda like (-) )  next to the questions he had asked up to that point.  I didn't see any circled positive signs at all (+).  Does a circled negative sign mean that there was no significant reaction on that particular question (question he put the negative sign next to)?

Any response would be GREATLY appreciated.