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Posted by James Votaw
- Jul 28, 2017, 04:40 PMQuoteCan sleep apnea, which causes different breathing, effect the result of a polygraph result. If so, what would be the factor.
It can in the fact that a person with sleep apnea or other disorders make their breathing and heart beat inconsistent .Which in the long run would make it impossible to determine when and if the person was being truthful or not even with test questions . Best bet is for the other person demanding more from people they associate . Just don't associate with people that give them reason to question in the first place . Confront them in a calm and civil way on that action . Like if it's suspecting the person of cheating . Don't confront them on cheating confront them on the suspicious activity they do . Then the next time they start acting suspicious leaving them is appropriate . It's not healthy sitting at home worrying and stressing . People that care about people other than their self usually put in the effort to not cause stress in other people's life .
Posted by Ex Member
- Mar 26, 2016, 12:50 PMI am not a militant secularist, as long as they don't extrapolate any religion into their policies, I don't have a problem with a brief spiritual utterance at the beginning of a gathering. But, I dislike listening to sermons outside of a church.
Although this does irk you, I would not recommend making secularization a chief element of your platform; it could backfire. It'd be better to make your changes in this arena with minimized fanfare once elected.
I am not a member of any organizations, I tend avoid putting myself into buckets.
Although this does irk you, I would not recommend making secularization a chief element of your platform; it could backfire. It'd be better to make your changes in this arena with minimized fanfare once elected.
I am not a member of any organizations, I tend avoid putting myself into buckets.
Posted by Dan Mangan
- Mar 26, 2016, 11:00 AMArk, one thing about APA seminars that has always struck me as odd is the event's solemn invocation, usually delivered by an older white guy, who, in a predictably ministerial baritone voice, makes a passionate appeal to God for wisdom and discernment for those in attendance.
One wonders why an assembly of forensic psychophysiologists dedicated to the practice of evidenced-based science needs to start their seminars with supplications to a supreme being.
My theory: In their heart of hearts, these people seek some measure of comfort by effectively asking for spiritual guidance -- or Divine Intervention -- in their practice of what they may fear (know?) is essentially little more than an elaborate guessing game.
Do you have any thoughts on the APA's rationale here, Ark? Do EE guys do similar things at their professional and educational events?
One wonders why an assembly of forensic psychophysiologists dedicated to the practice of evidenced-based science needs to start their seminars with supplications to a supreme being.
My theory: In their heart of hearts, these people seek some measure of comfort by effectively asking for spiritual guidance -- or Divine Intervention -- in their practice of what they may fear (know?) is essentially little more than an elaborate guessing game.
Do you have any thoughts on the APA's rationale here, Ark? Do EE guys do similar things at their professional and educational events?
Posted by Ex Member
- Mar 25, 2016, 11:15 PMHonestly, I just don't have enough insight into the internal workings of the APA to provide meaningful input. I'm not a member, and could never bring myself to pay the $500 entry fee for the conventions.
I've read those Journal articles which have any quality (about 40%).
It is curious to hear that they scrubbed such a noble idea from the website, I cannot even speculate as to why.
I've read those Journal articles which have any quality (about 40%).
It is curious to hear that they scrubbed such a noble idea from the website, I cannot even speculate as to why.
Posted by Dan Mangan
- Mar 25, 2016, 10:34 PMQuote from: Arkhangelsk on Mar 25, 2016, 09:56 PMSometimes the arrogance of scientists is appalling
I agree -- and, in my opinion, especially that as manifested by the self-proclaimed scientists who effectively run the APA.
Ark, speaking of arrogance, that reminds me...
For decades, the APA stated as its cardinal goal this moral imperative:
To serve the cause of truth with integrity, objectivity and fairness to all persons.
Last year, the illuminati who run the APA saw fit to shitcan that most noble ambition.
Do you have any theories as to why the APA leadership chose to take such a seemingly queer, backward and deleterious step?
Posted by Ex Member
- Mar 25, 2016, 09:56 PMQuote from: danmangan on Mar 25, 2016, 08:49 PMArk, what's your opinion of the directed-lie format?I have perused the laboratory studies and given the claims of the Utah team due diligence. While they claim science, I say it's bunko. In a forensic situation, with much at stake, there is no way anyone can convince me that directed lies would establish any kind of diagnostic dichotomy with RQ's threatening the well being of the examinee.
The great and late John Dobson, the Side Walk Astronomer's reply to the big bang theory: "You are trying to tell me that nothing made something out of nothing?"
Sometimes the arrogance of scientists is appalling.
Posted by Dan Mangan
- Mar 25, 2016, 08:49 PMArk, what's your opinion of the directed-lie format?
Speaking primarily as a Backster-trained traditionalist at heart -- later heavily influenced by Matte -- I think the directed-lie method is bogus.
There's a big pissing match in my neck of the woods (New England) about the validity of the directed-lie polygraph "test".
Everyone who's anyone in the polygraph rackets monitors the A-P forums like bored housewives watch soap operas. Given that context, you are regarded as a star.
What say you about the directed lie "test"?
Speaking primarily as a Backster-trained traditionalist at heart -- later heavily influenced by Matte -- I think the directed-lie method is bogus.
There's a big pissing match in my neck of the woods (New England) about the validity of the directed-lie polygraph "test".
Everyone who's anyone in the polygraph rackets monitors the A-P forums like bored housewives watch soap operas. Given that context, you are regarded as a star.
What say you about the directed lie "test"?
Posted by Ex Member
- Mar 25, 2016, 05:53 PMQuoteWhat about a person who has Myotonic Muscular Dystrophy? symptoms appeared in 20's any now 52 and just failed test.Due to its deterioration of executive functions, Endocrine System disruption and Myotonia, I'd say the examiner made a bad decision to find such a person suitable.
Posted by Frelly
- Mar 24, 2016, 10:46 PMWhat about a person who has Myotonic Muscular Dystrophy? symptoms appeared in 20's any now 52 and just failed test.
Posted by xenonman
- Aug 19, 2015, 12:50 PMQuote from: Arkhangelsk on Oct 18, 2014, 05:09 PMQuoteI know someone who is a schizophrenic. I suspected he was lying and he denied it.
May I recommend that you avoid contentious discussions with those suffering from schizophrenia? Surely there are more enriching pursuits available to you.
The calibre of many of the "guests" on AP sometimes shocks me!
Posted by Ex Member
- Aug 18, 2015, 12:40 AMCarolyn, I think the answer depends on whether or not the sleep apnea is untreated. If the person you are referring to religiously uses a CPAP, then I would say there would likely be no effect. However, untreated sleep apnea can cause all kinds of havoc in the body including impaired cognitive abilities. It would be an interesting study to conduct.
Posted by quickfix
- Aug 17, 2015, 02:42 PMOnly if you're sleeping during the test.
Posted by Carolyn Kethcart
- Aug 17, 2015, 10:51 AMCan sleep apnea, which causes different breathing, effect the result of a polygraph result. If so, what would be the factor.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Oct 19, 2014, 01:31 AMQuoteI know someone who is a schizophrenic. I suspected he was lying and he denied it. I said "let's do this the easy way then
. Split the cost of polygraph. He says he can't pass due to schizophrenia. I've researched some but don't understand. Slums like deflecting to me. Can you explain?
Polygraph "testing" has not been shown to work in people don't suffer from schizophrenia, let alone those who do. It's junk science. Turning to a polygraph operator in an attempt to divine the truth would be a complete waste of your money.
Posted by Ex Member
- Oct 18, 2014, 05:09 PMQuoteI know someone who is a schizophrenic. I suspected he was lying and he denied it.
May I recommend that you avoid contentious discussions with those suffering from schizophrenia? Surely there are more enriching pursuits available to you.