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Posted by EosJupiter
- Jun 29, 2006, 03:33 PMQuote from: NSAreject on Jun 29, 2006, 03:09 PMEosJupiter,
Thanks for your support. Let's hope, I pissed off some
polygrapher at NSA, or at polygraphplace.com. Alas,
he will not deter my support for this site - helping
others from becoming victims of the polygraph
interrogation !
Oh yes, after I got kicked off polygraphplace.com, I
contacted them directly, via email, asking why my posts
were removed, but never received an answer.
NSAreject,
Just in the fact that Polygraphplace.com edits outside criticisms and bans people from their board speaks volumes on their profession. Every profession worthy of working accepts and adapts constructive comments. I always did find it disconcerting that after any one of my polygraphs, we were told never to discuss or debate the procedure and keep it to ourselves. Just another ploy to keep their secrets from being revealed and defeated. As far as pissing off polygraphers, everyone needs a hobby. Most of the senior members of this board have been quoted one time or another at various polygraph association meetings around the country. Proof that they fear and dislike anything having to do with this website.
Regards ...
Posted by NSAreject
- Jun 29, 2006, 03:09 PMEosJupiter,
Thanks for your support. Let's hope, I pissed off some
polygrapher at NSA, or at polygraphplace.com. Alas,
he will not deter my support for this site - helping
others from becoming victims of the polygraph
interrogation !
Oh yes, after I got kicked off polygraphplace.com, I
contacted them directly, via email, asking why my posts
were removed, but never received an answer.
Thanks for your support. Let's hope, I pissed off some
polygrapher at NSA, or at polygraphplace.com. Alas,
he will not deter my support for this site - helping
others from becoming victims of the polygraph
interrogation !
Oh yes, after I got kicked off polygraphplace.com, I
contacted them directly, via email, asking why my posts
were removed, but never received an answer.
Posted by EosJupiter
- Jun 29, 2006, 02:42 PMNSAReject,
The Rantings and arguements sound like our old friend ODIN / BOSTON, back for another round of "Guess My New Handle". Just an observation.
Regards ....
The Rantings and arguements sound like our old friend ODIN / BOSTON, back for another round of "Guess My New Handle". Just an observation.
Regards ....
Posted by NSAreject
- Jun 29, 2006, 11:47 AMSeen this situation more than once; we had a secretary
with British relatives, that was able to get her TS, but
NSA would not clear her. I have been in this business
for many years, and yes, foreign relatives and foreign
immediate family members can be clearance killers.
And, I do have current ISA TS/SCI and active ISA Secret,
both of which, require US citizenship for the above,
or a request for an exception has to be made. My
point is that requests for exceptions are NOT
guarenteed. Now, is there a point to all this ranting ?
Looks like we have another, I-SMELL-BS...
with British relatives, that was able to get her TS, but
NSA would not clear her. I have been in this business
for many years, and yes, foreign relatives and foreign
immediate family members can be clearance killers.
And, I do have current ISA TS/SCI and active ISA Secret,
both of which, require US citizenship for the above,
or a request for an exception has to be made. My
point is that requests for exceptions are NOT
guarenteed. Now, is there a point to all this ranting ?
Looks like we have another, I-SMELL-BS...
Posted by kockstar
- Jun 29, 2006, 10:00 AMQuote from: NSAreject on Jun 28, 2006, 09:58 PMKockstar,why? coz your wrong? coz you yourself even proved yourself wrong? you dont know what your even talking about here... do you even have a foriegn born spouse and an SCI? I do. i know your wrong.
You are obviously not worth the time-of-day;
Quote from: NSAreject on Jun 28, 2006, 09:58 PMhahaha your so funny!! hahah i must be a disgruntled polygrapher.. you nerd.
you are probably a disgruntled polygrapher.
Quote from: NSAreject on Jun 28, 2006, 09:58 PMnow your speaking for most private contractors? first you made a dumb blanket statement and now you "am sure that most private contractors"
The point of the article, is that getting an exception is not easy, and I am sure that most private contractors would not be willing to go that route
Quote from: NSAreject on Jun 28, 2006, 09:58 PMoh now its "generally to be a clearance killer".. alot different than your first statement you made...
I would consider it, generally, to be a clearance killer.
Quote from: NSAreject on Jun 28, 2006, 09:58 PMbut did he? as did MANY others.. thats why there is such a thing as a statment of compelling need. to get around that
My boss, even being a high-level program manager, had a difficult time getting cleared.
Quote from: NSAreject on Jun 28, 2006, 09:58 PM
Think and say, as you may.
Quote from: NSAreject on Jun 28, 2006, 09:58 PMno your stupid for making blanket statements about something you obviously knew nothing about but putting it out like was fact.
Yes, I am stupid, for playing into your hand...
Posted by NSAreject
- Jun 28, 2006, 09:58 PMKockstar,
You are obviously not worth the time-of-day; you are probably a disgruntled polygrapher. The point of the article, is that getting an exception is not easy, and I am sure that most private contractors would not be willing to go that route - thus, I would consider it, generally, to be a clearance killer. My boss, even being a high-level program manager, had a difficult time getting cleared. Think and say, as you may. Yes, I am stupid, for playing into your hand...
You are obviously not worth the time-of-day; you are probably a disgruntled polygrapher. The point of the article, is that getting an exception is not easy, and I am sure that most private contractors would not be willing to go that route - thus, I would consider it, generally, to be a clearance killer. My boss, even being a high-level program manager, had a difficult time getting cleared. Think and say, as you may. Yes, I am stupid, for playing into your hand...
Posted by kockstar
- Jun 28, 2006, 03:58 PMQuote from: NSAreject on Jun 28, 2006, 01:28 PMKockstar,yep check seciton "c"
Well, then debate it with:
http://www.securityinstruction.com/ADR/dcid64/dcid64T.htm
Personnel Security Standards and Procedures Governing Eligibility for Access to Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI)
5. Personnel Security Standards.
a. The individual requiring access to SCI must be a US citizen.
b. The individual's immediate family must also be US citizens.
6. Exceptions to Personnel Security Standards.
c. Exceptions to the US citizenship requirement for individuals to be accessed to SCI and their immediate family members shall require certification of a compelling need. This exception should be based upon a specific national security requirement and a certification of compelling need.
thanks for looking it up.
Posted by NSAreject
- Jun 28, 2006, 01:28 PMKockstar,
Well, then debate it with:
http://www.securityinstruction.com/ADR/dcid64/dcid64T.htm
Personnel Security Standards and Procedures Governing Eligibility for Access to Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI)
5. Personnel Security Standards.
a. The individual requiring access to SCI must be a US citizen.
b. The individual's immediate family must also be US citizens.
6. Exceptions to Personnel Security Standards.
c. Exceptions to the US citizenship requirement for individuals to be accessed to SCI and their immediate family members shall require certification of a compelling need. This exception should be based upon a specific national security requirement and a certification of compelling need.
Well, then debate it with:
http://www.securityinstruction.com/ADR/dcid64/dcid64T.htm
Personnel Security Standards and Procedures Governing Eligibility for Access to Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI)
5. Personnel Security Standards.
a. The individual requiring access to SCI must be a US citizen.
b. The individual's immediate family must also be US citizens.
6. Exceptions to Personnel Security Standards.
c. Exceptions to the US citizenship requirement for individuals to be accessed to SCI and their immediate family members shall require certification of a compelling need. This exception should be based upon a specific national security requirement and a certification of compelling need.
Posted by kockstar
- Jun 26, 2006, 04:38 PMQuote from: underlyingtruth on Jun 26, 2006, 02:28 PMwtf is that... lol.. those guys stole the name for thier band from something that nikki sixx made.. the same thing i did...
I think he wanted you to visit the link:
http://www.garageband.com/artist/cockstar
LOL
Posted by underlyingtruth
- Jun 26, 2006, 02:28 PMQuote from: kockstar on Jun 26, 2006, 09:07 AM
wtf are you even talking about here?
I think he wanted you to visit the link:
http://www.garageband.com/artist/cockstar
LOL
Posted by kockstar
- Jun 26, 2006, 09:07 AMQuote from: Onesimus on Jun 26, 2006, 08:05 AM
Are you this kockstar?
wtf are you even talking about here?
Posted by Onesimus
- Jun 26, 2006, 08:05 AMQuote from: kockstar on Jun 26, 2006, 12:35 AM
i currently hold a TS/SCI as well.. My wife is a philippine national. I have many friends as well who work for NRO, Contractors, DOD, NSA .... all who have philippine or japanese wives.. Its not a strict requirment at all. you just need to get them cleared as well... submitt an SF-86 for the spouse.
Are you this kockstar?
Posted by kockstar
- Jun 26, 2006, 12:35 AMQuote from: NSAreject on Jun 24, 2006, 02:32 PM
I believe that Kockstar is incorrect, in his assertion that this only applies to certain assignments/cases. Intel agencies require that spouses and immediate family members be US citizens - this is not the case for vanilla DoD clearances. This is a very strict requirement. Unlike the DoD, there are no courts/judges, that appeals can go forward.
i currently hold a TS/SCI as well.. My wife is a philippine national. I have many friends as well who work for NRO, Contractors, DOD, NSA .... all who have philippine or japanese wives.. Its not a strict requirment at all. you just need to get them cleared as well... submitt an SF-86 for the spouse.
Posted by NSAreject
- Jun 24, 2006, 02:32 PMOpp,
I am a contractor to the CIA, and hold active Secret and current Top Secret clearances. When filling out my SF86, I had to list all immediate family members, including my deceased Parents, living Brother, and my wife's deceased Mother and living Father, as US citizens. My boss married a foreign national and had to get a, "letter of compelling need", in order to get his clearance (but, I think he has a, "green badge"). My Brother's in-laws have business overseas and he had a real difficult time getting into NSA, as a contractor.
I believe that Kockstar is incorrect, in his assertion that this only applies to certain assignments/cases. Intel agencies require that spouses and immediate family members be US citizens - this is not the case for vanilla DoD clearances. This is a very strict requirement. Unlike the DoD, there are no courts/judges, that appeals can go forward.
I am a contractor to the CIA, and hold active Secret and current Top Secret clearances. When filling out my SF86, I had to list all immediate family members, including my deceased Parents, living Brother, and my wife's deceased Mother and living Father, as US citizens. My boss married a foreign national and had to get a, "letter of compelling need", in order to get his clearance (but, I think he has a, "green badge"). My Brother's in-laws have business overseas and he had a real difficult time getting into NSA, as a contractor.
I believe that Kockstar is incorrect, in his assertion that this only applies to certain assignments/cases. Intel agencies require that spouses and immediate family members be US citizens - this is not the case for vanilla DoD clearances. This is a very strict requirement. Unlike the DoD, there are no courts/judges, that appeals can go forward.
Posted by kockstar
- Jun 24, 2006, 01:54 PMQuote from: longtimelistener on Jan 06, 2006, 12:33 PM
I know the CIA explicitly says that spouses must be U.S. citizens,
thats only for operatives/field agents... that doesnt apply to all other positions.