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Posted by Albert Aswell
- May 16, 2025, 11:55 AMQuote from: quickfix on May 16, 2025, 10:14 AMTime for a refill of tin foil for your hat.
On Diplomacy and the Weight of Words
In halls where whispers weave their subtle threads,
And judgments hang like shadows on the wall,
We find the art not merely to defend,
But gently guide the stumble, catch the fall.
When voices rise with suspicion's glare,
And questions clutch the fragile, trembling mind,
Remember: beneath the words laid bare,
Lies human fear, unspoken, undefined.
Speak softly—let your tone be calm, composed—
A mirror to their trembling, uncertain heart.
Remind them, kindness is the sturdy dose
That can dissolve the shame, the doubt, the part.
Empathy, a bridge not built in haste,
Can turn embarrassment to understanding.
A patient word, a gesture, not misplaced,
May turn the tide of suspicion's branding.
So, in the face of accusations cold,
Choose silence, or the gentle truth's embrace,
For dignity is precious—more than gold—
And grace can elevate the fallen face.
Let us, with tact, dispel the clouds of fear,
And forge a space where trust can reappear.
To ease their embarrassment, softly steer—
With words that heal, and hearts sincere.
I would like to thank W. H. Auden.
Posted by quickfix
- May 16, 2025, 10:14 AMTime for a refill of tin foil for your hat.
Posted by Albert Aswell
- May 15, 2025, 11:34 AMQuote from: George_Maschke on May 15, 2025, 09:32 AMI note that today marks the 30th anniversary of my fateful session with the late FBI polygraph operator Jack Trimarco.
I wrote this response today after reading the article for the first time, George. My apologies for saying "he" instead of "you".
It's all about the linguistics--and how the FBI really perceived them. I think some sercretive Confederate made a illegal claim of custody over him, after an embarrassing incident was smoothed over by a third-party re-classifying him as a Confederate by using known technology to knock out cold and pilot him while speaking known Confederate linguistics. Confederates are known to speak a phonetically-rooted uniquely contorted variation in English that some call no English at all. Today's Diplomatic Language standards seek to fit in with the "New Order Linguistics Fraud". The trick is: American English-speakers really don't speak NOLF. When American English-speakers are assumed to speak NOLF, everything goes awry for the American. As such, very powerful people reclassify potential witnesses/threats to their criminal enterprises in this manner. It's quite effective, as the persons secretively framed look like accomplices/apprentices of the secretive criminals.
handful of basic nolf core words:
"No" means "know" (or New Order).
"Ly" (adverb ending) means "lee" (lie), indicating there's one or more elements of dishonesty being literally described.
"Nothing" means "New Order thing"
"Or" means "operating remote".
"Did" means "killed".
As a historical matter, since the inception, NOLF has always been machine-translated. Confederates are no Americans at all.
Oftentimes, the FBI/etc will try to use NOLF speakers as "windtalkers", placing those persons in certain positions to get a read on Confederate subjects while monitoring remotely with frequency listening devices trained on mirroring the vibrating eardrum of the "windtalker" (for example). Other times, the FBI/etc simply will torture persons who are labelled as such but really don't know/speak NOLF. The FBI's incentive, from time to time, is to cover up how many wrongly mislabelled persons the FBI have criminally exploited.
Today's NOLF-framing hotbed is IARPA. IARPA are sex trafficking over half of the planet to keep their modus operandi secretive. IARPA are technically a hostile foreign nation occupation within the US government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_Advanced_Research_Projects_Activity
IARPA like to ignore when persons are knocked out cold and piloted. From their Wikipedia:
Other projects involve the analysis of images or videos that lack metadata by directly analyzing the media's content itself. Examples given by IARPA include determining the location of an image by analyzing features such as the placement of trees or a mountain skyline, or determining whether a video is of a baseball game or a traffic jam.[11] Another program focuses on developing speech recognition tools that can transcribe arbitrary languages.[15]
Posted by George W. Maschke
- May 15, 2025, 09:32 AMI note that today marks the 30th anniversary of my fateful session with the late FBI polygraph operator Jack Trimarco.
Posted by Wandersmann
- May 15, 2015, 01:07 PMQuote from: George_Maschke on May 15, 2015, 07:20 AMI note that today is the 20th anniversary of my FBI pre-employment examination, which, among other things, ultimately led to the creation of AntiPolygraph.org and my being here in Oklahoma City this week to observe Doug Williams' trial.
Keep going George and don't quit until you've won. You will have a place in the history books next to William Wilberforce, the man who ended the English slave trade. Some may ask if I'm equating the evils of the polygraph with the evils of slavery. My answer is ..... Yes !
Posted by George W. Maschke
- May 15, 2015, 07:20 AMI note that today is the 20th anniversary of my FBI pre-employment examination, which, among other things, ultimately led to the creation of AntiPolygraph.org and my being here in Oklahoma City this week to observe Doug Williams' trial.
Posted by xenonman
- Jun 07, 2013, 11:32 AMI ve been told that I, too, would make a great asset to the INTEL Community. I'm sure that I would have, if I had made it past the popularity contest known as the "background check" at the fucking CIA.
Checking for criminal history is one thing, talking to every asshole who claims to know me is quite another.
I find it amusing to read ::)about all the "moles" who are able to make it through the CIA's supposedly "impenetrable" wall of security.
If any CIA polygraphers or other agency Office of Security scum are reading this
, I say ENJOY! You deserve all the Ames', Richardson's, and Howards that come your way!
Checking for criminal history is one thing, talking to every asshole who claims to know me is quite another.
I find it amusing to read ::)about all the "moles" who are able to make it through the CIA's supposedly "impenetrable" wall of security.
If any CIA polygraphers or other agency Office of Security scum are reading this
, I say ENJOY! You deserve all the Ames', Richardson's, and Howards that come your way!Posted by logan2609
- Jun 19, 2011, 05:16 PMStephano
Oh of course. Remember I was formerly employed by LEO. I had a chance to attend a social function with a good number of former coworkers who were interesting in my current goings on. I had some interesting conversations. No one really thinks its fair, and most had similar stories from their applicant days regarding polygraphs and the psychological screenings. Most people applied several places before landing somewhere.
The general opinion is that its extremely fallible but very useful in investigations where they need psychological pressure. They think its bogus, but like the value of it when they have a fish in the boat so to speak.
One good friend uses it in criminal investigations once in a while, and from the conversation we had, probably read this site. He said something to the effect of;
Whenever I send someone to take it, I already know they are guilty, so its not exactly news to me when they fail. Even if they pass, it tells me they are a sociopath without a conscience and I'll need to change up my interview technique. Otherwise, its just baloney, biased against the innocent, and probably just a way for HR to strike applicants since agency staffing issues don't seem to mesh well with municipal budgets. We want 60 guys, we can only pay for 30 guys. Half the applicants get struck because we need a way to strike them that will not overtly indicate bias and get us sued.
He used a hypothetical argument of, if he sent one guy to one with a good idea he will fail, he can also predict the results accurately 98% of the time. If he sends 100 random people to weed out potential sex offenders or something, he is going to waste a lot of time.
He then spent 20 minutes instructing me on countermeasures he was aware of, all the way from sphincter puckering to anti anxiety medication.
To me it sounded like he knew it was a sham as far as pre employment screening. Note all the LEO's in the news getting busted left and right for everything from drug offenses to fraud. How did they slip through?
On a side not, a lawyer friend discussed another angle with me. He said I could consider legal options against the second examiner, because his pre exam questions regarding the other exam and examiner constituted breach. He said I was at that moment trapped in a no win situation of either being uncooperative with his questioning, or providing him with the actual identity of another examiner he could potentially discredit, lessening his chances of scoring it fairly. What do you think?
Oh of course. Remember I was formerly employed by LEO. I had a chance to attend a social function with a good number of former coworkers who were interesting in my current goings on. I had some interesting conversations. No one really thinks its fair, and most had similar stories from their applicant days regarding polygraphs and the psychological screenings. Most people applied several places before landing somewhere.
The general opinion is that its extremely fallible but very useful in investigations where they need psychological pressure. They think its bogus, but like the value of it when they have a fish in the boat so to speak.
One good friend uses it in criminal investigations once in a while, and from the conversation we had, probably read this site. He said something to the effect of;
Whenever I send someone to take it, I already know they are guilty, so its not exactly news to me when they fail. Even if they pass, it tells me they are a sociopath without a conscience and I'll need to change up my interview technique. Otherwise, its just baloney, biased against the innocent, and probably just a way for HR to strike applicants since agency staffing issues don't seem to mesh well with municipal budgets. We want 60 guys, we can only pay for 30 guys. Half the applicants get struck because we need a way to strike them that will not overtly indicate bias and get us sued.
He used a hypothetical argument of, if he sent one guy to one with a good idea he will fail, he can also predict the results accurately 98% of the time. If he sends 100 random people to weed out potential sex offenders or something, he is going to waste a lot of time.
He then spent 20 minutes instructing me on countermeasures he was aware of, all the way from sphincter puckering to anti anxiety medication.
To me it sounded like he knew it was a sham as far as pre employment screening. Note all the LEO's in the news getting busted left and right for everything from drug offenses to fraud. How did they slip through?
On a side not, a lawyer friend discussed another angle with me. He said I could consider legal options against the second examiner, because his pre exam questions regarding the other exam and examiner constituted breach. He said I was at that moment trapped in a no win situation of either being uncooperative with his questioning, or providing him with the actual identity of another examiner he could potentially discredit, lessening his chances of scoring it fairly. What do you think?
Posted by stefano
- Jun 15, 2011, 02:41 PMQuoteit bothers me when my integrity gets questioned, made worse by the fact I am accused of being a liar by someone who is either themselves lying, or is an idiot with a bunch of squiggles on a chart interpreted as lying,If you become employed in LE, I sincerely hope that you will hang on to this feeling of frustration and powerlessness so that you can have some empathy when your department subjects ordinary citizens to this same disparaging treatment.
Posted by logan2609
- Jun 15, 2011, 03:43 AMHello All,
Just to throw in my two cents, I posted my own polygraph experience on another thread ONLY because I did not understand the result. I had no intention of being deceptive, nor was I deceptive, yet was told I failed. I have no idea why. I came here looking for answers after the fact, primarily because as a former LEO it bothers me when my integrity gets questioned, made worse by the fact I am accused of being a liar by someone who is either themselves lying, or is an idiot with a bunch of squiggles on a chart interpreted as lying, either way preventing me from currently being employed at an agency when otherwise I am well qualified to work there.
In my case, I've been through a police BI before including a polygraph. I passed. I was not concerned or worried about taking a polygraph. I figured they are pretty accurate, even if not scientifically worthy to use in court.
The food for thought here is:
1) Why would I have taken a polygraph if I thought I would fail?
2) Having been through the backgrounds process before, why would I have intentionally concealed or lied about something KNOWING I would get polygraphed on it?
3) If I had lied and gotten caught, why wouldn't I have just slipped back into the ether and gone "oh well"?
Since attacks against my integrity and credibility bother me, I came here seeking answers. I've actually received some good information from people on these forums, including some from a guy claiming to be a polygraph examiner, informing me that the way they conducted my test was the wrong way to do it. He even advised me on how to file complaints.
I'm not saying every polygraph chart is wrong, or every polygraph examiner is bad, but something seriously went wrong with mine. A test conducted improperly, had very real negative implications on my life. That is why I'm here learning and talking about it.
It is very sad yet oddly comforting to know I am not the only one this has happened to. I can also assure all of you, that since I started asking around, there is at least ten more people like me floating around just in my circle of acquaintances. If this polygraph test really works then freaking fix it so it doesn't keep destroying people, or let it go, because if it doesn't really work then you guys need to get real jobs and stop screwing with mine.
Just to throw in my two cents, I posted my own polygraph experience on another thread ONLY because I did not understand the result. I had no intention of being deceptive, nor was I deceptive, yet was told I failed. I have no idea why. I came here looking for answers after the fact, primarily because as a former LEO it bothers me when my integrity gets questioned, made worse by the fact I am accused of being a liar by someone who is either themselves lying, or is an idiot with a bunch of squiggles on a chart interpreted as lying, either way preventing me from currently being employed at an agency when otherwise I am well qualified to work there.
In my case, I've been through a police BI before including a polygraph. I passed. I was not concerned or worried about taking a polygraph. I figured they are pretty accurate, even if not scientifically worthy to use in court.
The food for thought here is:
1) Why would I have taken a polygraph if I thought I would fail?
2) Having been through the backgrounds process before, why would I have intentionally concealed or lied about something KNOWING I would get polygraphed on it?
3) If I had lied and gotten caught, why wouldn't I have just slipped back into the ether and gone "oh well"?
Since attacks against my integrity and credibility bother me, I came here seeking answers. I've actually received some good information from people on these forums, including some from a guy claiming to be a polygraph examiner, informing me that the way they conducted my test was the wrong way to do it. He even advised me on how to file complaints.
I'm not saying every polygraph chart is wrong, or every polygraph examiner is bad, but something seriously went wrong with mine. A test conducted improperly, had very real negative implications on my life. That is why I'm here learning and talking about it.
It is very sad yet oddly comforting to know I am not the only one this has happened to. I can also assure all of you, that since I started asking around, there is at least ten more people like me floating around just in my circle of acquaintances. If this polygraph test really works then freaking fix it so it doesn't keep destroying people, or let it go, because if it doesn't really work then you guys need to get real jobs and stop screwing with mine.
Posted by guest
- Jun 14, 2011, 08:10 PMMy heart really goes out to you, your's is an epic tragedy, my friend. I trust you know you are hardly the first patriot to be wrongfully chewed-up and spat-out by the system. I hope your life has become positive, and you are surrounded by love and happiness. 
Posted by polytechnic
- Jun 19, 2008, 12:09 PMQuote from: polyscam on May 16, 2006, 06:56 PMHi there..!!!
After reading the whole article:
http://antipolygraph.org/statements/statement-003.shtml
I can only say that I'm very impress with George qualifications..!!! He's a real asset for the INTEL community.
If the FBI founds any deceptions/lies in anyones exam, why not conduct a deeper BI...In the case of the drug questions, if they found "deception" Why they do not conduct a Urine/Blood analisys...
I was also checking the web site of this Jacko Trimarco http://www.jacktrimarco.com/ what a poser...!!!!
He must be ashame of being such a liar and now profiting of his lie-machine...!!!
I think the FBI is a great agency but jokers like this Trimarco guy and all the other Polygraphers give the agency a bad reputation. Pitty.....
Personally, I never trust anyone with divergent left eye syndrome.
Posted by T.M. Cullen
- Jun 13, 2008, 10:35 PMQuoteI plan on taking another polygraph test just to see if it will work now that time has calmed me down.
The polygraphers who come to this board swear up and down that a person failing the test while telling the truth is a very infrequent thing. Of course, they are full of crap, and have nothing but horse pucky to back that up.
The polygraph hasn't really changed. It was bogus 16 years ago, and it is bogus now.
It is not a test, but an interrogation disguised as a test. The machine is just a prop they use to intimidate people. The more you believe in the test, the more likely you are to fail. Conversely, if you are totally convinced the test is a sham, you will be less like to fall for their crap. It is similar to going to a used car lot armed with a ton of knowledge, versus going there knowing nothing about cars, or pressure sales tactics.
For what purpose are you taking another polygraph?
TC
Posted by tractor girl
- Jun 13, 2008, 07:45 PMIn 1992 I was accused of stealing $600 cash from The Lane County Custody Referee's Office. I didn't do it, but someone did. I eagerly took a polygraph test to clear myself and to encourage the detectives to find the real thief. Well, I flunked. I hired an independant tester and he told me to never take a polygraph again. During this entire crisis, I was hysterical, not a good test subject. I lost my job, my career and my future in the justice system because of this horrible experience. I've never gotten over it because they never arrrested the person who did this to me in the first place. I was never trusted again and I was so tramatized, I never took a job that involved handling money for fear of being framed again.
It's been 16 years now. I plan on taking another polygraph test just to see if it will work now that time has calmed me down.
This experience changed the course of my life in so many ways, I cannot begin to explain it all here. Besides it's still too painful.
I feel compassion for all people who have been falsely accused.
Thank you for this chat. It helps to know I'm not alone.
Jennifer
It's been 16 years now. I plan on taking another polygraph test just to see if it will work now that time has calmed me down.
This experience changed the course of my life in so many ways, I cannot begin to explain it all here. Besides it's still too painful.
I feel compassion for all people who have been falsely accused.
Thank you for this chat. It helps to know I'm not alone.
Jennifer
Posted by Thomas_Delacy
- Jul 20, 2006, 02:34 PMthis guy trimaco has his own tv showw lol.. all about deception tas funny