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Posted by polyfool
- Feb 24, 2006, 12:03 AMQuote from: retcopper on Feb 23, 2006, 01:25 PMRenraw
P.S. Contrary to what Polyfool writes, an inconclusive call is rendered because your physiological responses to certain questions were not able to assist the examiner in calling the chart deceptive or truthful.
True. However, when an INC is rendered, it is considered in the polygraph community, to be an error on the part of the examiner. For example, the examiner didn't spend enough time preparing the examinee during the pre-test or failed to get the examinee to hold back on the control questions. That would explain the reasoning behind the examinee being offered a follow-up polygraph--something went wrong through no fault of the examinee.
I don't necessarily agree with this arguement because the test is so utterly flawed, there are so many things that can and will go wrong.
Posted by polyfool
- Feb 23, 2006, 11:37 PMrenraw,
I don't know how other agencies do it, but in the FBI, an applicant found INC on his/her first polygraph is automatically offered another without having to appeal. An applicant deemed deception indicated or DI on one or both series, "fails" and is automatically disqualifed. In order to receive a retest, the "failed" applicant must appeal. However, the appeal process is a total front because as you are aware, virtually no one passes a retest after a failed FBI polygraph. Your situation is actually the norm. Your poly will cover whatever you did not pass or failed to receive a no deception indicated (NDI) on. You won't know this until you actually sit for the so-called test again. I hope you are successful in proving your truthfulness, but based on personal experience, I wouldn't rely on the polygraph to do it. Good luck.
I don't know how other agencies do it, but in the FBI, an applicant found INC on his/her first polygraph is automatically offered another without having to appeal. An applicant deemed deception indicated or DI on one or both series, "fails" and is automatically disqualifed. In order to receive a retest, the "failed" applicant must appeal. However, the appeal process is a total front because as you are aware, virtually no one passes a retest after a failed FBI polygraph. Your situation is actually the norm. Your poly will cover whatever you did not pass or failed to receive a no deception indicated (NDI) on. You won't know this until you actually sit for the so-called test again. I hope you are successful in proving your truthfulness, but based on personal experience, I wouldn't rely on the polygraph to do it. Good luck.
Posted by renraw
- Feb 23, 2006, 05:03 PMThanks for the info, but the other threads that I was reading throughout this message board stated that people who received inconclusive results weren't offered a "retake" and instead were sent a letter telling them that they were DQ. Why is my case different? Anyway, I am scheduled for another polygraph in 2 weeks and I am looking forward to proving my truthfulness. Will this poly focus on the part that was found INC or will I go through the entire thing all over again?
P.S. George, thanks for the concern, but I figured agencies would be reading this and accounted for that when I put the time I took it, agency and years it has been since I did drugs
P.S. George, thanks for the concern, but I figured agencies would be reading this and accounted for that when I put the time I took it, agency and years it has been since I did drugs
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Feb 23, 2006, 03:45 PMrenraw,
I agree with polyfool: it appears that your polygraph results were inconclusive. Had you "failed," you would have been directly accused of either deception or withholding information and subjected to a post-test interrogation.
Your situation seems to be different from that of those who have actually "failed" an initial FBI pre-employment polygraph and offered a "re-test." In such situations, applicants almost always "fail" the "re-test," too. But this is not necessarily the case with those who initially have an inconclusive result.
It may be in your best interest to continue with the process. When you report for your follow-up polygraph, it would probably be best to adopt the "complete honesty" approach described in Chapter 4 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector. The FBI's polygraph unit reads this message board, and they'll be looking out for an applicant with an inconclusive result who reports having last used marijuana nine years ago. If you deny having researched polygraphy, you're likely to be found out.
I agree with polyfool: it appears that your polygraph results were inconclusive. Had you "failed," you would have been directly accused of either deception or withholding information and subjected to a post-test interrogation.
Your situation seems to be different from that of those who have actually "failed" an initial FBI pre-employment polygraph and offered a "re-test." In such situations, applicants almost always "fail" the "re-test," too. But this is not necessarily the case with those who initially have an inconclusive result.
It may be in your best interest to continue with the process. When you report for your follow-up polygraph, it would probably be best to adopt the "complete honesty" approach described in Chapter 4 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector. The FBI's polygraph unit reads this message board, and they'll be looking out for an applicant with an inconclusive result who reports having last used marijuana nine years ago. If you deny having researched polygraphy, you're likely to be found out.
Posted by retcopper
- Feb 23, 2006, 01:25 PMRenraw
You ask, "Did I really fail"? You didn't say the examiner told you that you failed. If you want the job why dont you just do what they ask and go back? Of course, if you really believe that no one ever passes the second test then why go back.
P.S. Contrary to what Polyfool writes, an inconclusive call is rendered because your physiological responses to certain questions were not able to assist the examiner in calling the chart deceptive or truthful.
You ask, "Did I really fail"? You didn't say the examiner told you that you failed. If you want the job why dont you just do what they ask and go back? Of course, if you really believe that no one ever passes the second test then why go back.
P.S. Contrary to what Polyfool writes, an inconclusive call is rendered because your physiological responses to certain questions were not able to assist the examiner in calling the chart deceptive or truthful.
Posted by polyfool
- Feb 23, 2006, 12:20 AMrenraw,
Sounds like the results were inconclusive and you are being called back to take another polygraph. An INC is considered by the polygraph community to be an error on the examiner's part. Your situation isn't the same as a retest after a polygraph failure, which as you alluded, virtually no one passes. As I'm sure you're aware from reading this site, just because you tell the truth does not mean the polygraph will prove you truthful. The so-called testing procedure just doesn't work that way. Good luck with your follow-up. You may want to download TLBTLD available free on this site, so that you are INFORMED before submitting to this procedure. A reported 50% of the people who take the FBI polygraph fail it. You may find the stakes to be too high to be worth the gamble. I don't know what the odds of passing are after an INC? Perhaps, someone with more knowledge about this could post some info.?
Sounds like the results were inconclusive and you are being called back to take another polygraph. An INC is considered by the polygraph community to be an error on the examiner's part. Your situation isn't the same as a retest after a polygraph failure, which as you alluded, virtually no one passes. As I'm sure you're aware from reading this site, just because you tell the truth does not mean the polygraph will prove you truthful. The so-called testing procedure just doesn't work that way. Good luck with your follow-up. You may want to download TLBTLD available free on this site, so that you are INFORMED before submitting to this procedure. A reported 50% of the people who take the FBI polygraph fail it. You may find the stakes to be too high to be worth the gamble. I don't know what the odds of passing are after an INC? Perhaps, someone with more knowledge about this could post some info.?