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Posted by llamatippin
 - Jan 06, 2006, 06:08 AM
I've learned that with the question "have you been completely honest with your PO?" before the test they will ask me this, then I need to specify, then they will ask me a more focused question.  

"have you lied to your PO to prevent being sanctioned?"

Now, this smells like control to me.   But if i fail this question, i do believe i fail the test.  This will be grouped with other questions "is there any other crimes that you're not telling us about?"  "have you committed any other crimes?".  

But with my understanding of relevant/irrelevant- couldn't i react to all the relevent questions, then just answer the irrelevant however?
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Jan 06, 2006, 04:07 AM
Quote from: llamatippin on Jan 06, 2006, 02:26 AM"Have you been COMPLETELY honest with your PO?"
"Is your name _realname_?"
"do you live in oregon?"

do these determine the baseline at all?

While the first question may appear to be relevant, it's actually much more likely to be a probable-lie "control" question. Note that it doesn't address any specific conduct. It would be a poor choice for a relevant question in post-conviction polygraph screening. The last two questions are clearly irrelevant (and thus, unscored).

As for the relevant/irrelevant technique, the countermeasures suggested in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector pertain to federal polygraph security screening. If you encounter a relevant/irrelevant "test" in post-conviction polygraph screening, I think it would be safest to stick to behavioral countermeasures.
Posted by llamatippin
 - Jan 06, 2006, 03:41 AM
CH4 states:
"You can prevent such a pattern
from occurring by simply producing responses to two differing
groups of two relevant questions within the different chart presentations."

So they will be asking me groups of questions (grouped similar questions that are relevant)

Can someone please provide me with an example?
Posted by Smokey
 - Jan 06, 2006, 03:19 AM
Use you Behavioral Countermeasures. I think it states in Chapter 4 to use CM's on two different RELEVANT questions on each of the 3 (or however many) sets of questions.  Download it if you haven't already and  study Chapters 3 & 4 hard.
Posted by llamatippin
 - Jan 06, 2006, 03:03 AM
Any specific chapters or pages that would help teach me how to "not fail a relevant/irrelevant test even though i'm telling the truth".
Posted by Smokey
 - Jan 06, 2006, 02:53 AM
QuoteLlamatippin wrote:  Is it possible to take a poly without any Controls?

Yes, those are called "Relevant/Irrelevant tests.  If you haven't already, you may want to download "The Lie Behind The Lie Detector" and you will find most anything you need to know relating to ploygraphs.
Posted by llamatippin
 - Jan 06, 2006, 02:51 AM
but doesn't everybody lie to their po?   :P

I kid.

Is it possible to take a poly without any Controls?
Posted by Smokey
 - Jan 06, 2006, 02:49 AM
Quote from: llamatippin on Jan 06, 2006, 02:26 AM"Have you been COMPLETELY honest with your PO?"
"Is your name _realname_?"
"do you live in oregon?"

do these determine the baseline at all?

The first one looks like a RELEVANT question and the last two are IRRELEVANT.
Posted by llamatippin
 - Jan 06, 2006, 02:26 AM
"Have you been COMPLETELY honest with your PO?"
"Is your name _realname_?"
"do you live in oregon?"

do these determine the baseline at all?