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Posted by cesium_133
- Jan 10, 2006, 06:29 AMThe test I had last time was a form of the CQT, though it did not conform to the CQT described so well here; it was all jumbled up (see one of my other posts on this). It also had no stim component to it. For comparison, if it was run at all (I have some doubts), the polygrapher used the CQ's.
Anyhow, here is an idea I have for CM'ing this thing, something I have not heard on here:
What about being completely truthful on the CQ's, but augmenting my reactions through mental processes nonetheless (doing arithmetic, picturing falling off a precipice, or projecting a general feeling of panic into my stomach, if you all relate to that last one)?
I want to be truthful as best I can; answering "have you ever told a serious lie?" with a "no" can only give them a great excuse to be suspicious -if they so desire-, even if they wanted you to lie in the first place. However, if I spiked the CQ's with honest responses, would the polygrapher not be doubly confused? Also, would that not provide me the triple benefit of (1) jacking up the CQ responses, as is generally suggested, (2) leaving the RQ readings below the CQ's, as I would not augment there, and (3) make it look like I was trying to be extra-honest, the tracings notwithstanding?
If I get another CQT (I have a test soon), would all that not almost guarantee me a pass, or at least an inconclusive? I don't see how I could fail. Input is requested...
Anyhow, here is an idea I have for CM'ing this thing, something I have not heard on here:
What about being completely truthful on the CQ's, but augmenting my reactions through mental processes nonetheless (doing arithmetic, picturing falling off a precipice, or projecting a general feeling of panic into my stomach, if you all relate to that last one)?
I want to be truthful as best I can; answering "have you ever told a serious lie?" with a "no" can only give them a great excuse to be suspicious -if they so desire-, even if they wanted you to lie in the first place. However, if I spiked the CQ's with honest responses, would the polygrapher not be doubly confused? Also, would that not provide me the triple benefit of (1) jacking up the CQ responses, as is generally suggested, (2) leaving the RQ readings below the CQ's, as I would not augment there, and (3) make it look like I was trying to be extra-honest, the tracings notwithstanding?
If I get another CQT (I have a test soon), would all that not almost guarantee me a pass, or at least an inconclusive? I don't see how I could fail. Input is requested...
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Dec 29, 2005, 03:10 PMQuote from: Eastwood on Dec 29, 2005, 03:03 PMPhD's - a total joke
I'm not sure what you mean to say. Ph.D. degrees from accredited universities are not a joke. Nor is it a laughing matter that some of the most prominent members of the polygraph community who claim to be Ph.D.'s in fact got their "degrees" from unaccredited diploma mills. Those masquerading as Ph.D.s include Ed Gelb, James Allan Matte, and Michael Martin.
Posted by Eastwood
- Dec 29, 2005, 03:03 PMPhD's - a total joke
Posted by gelb disliker
- Dec 25, 2005, 05:17 AMTaken from the Intercept website:
Intercept Inc.
Polygraph Expert Known Around The World
Dr. Edward Gelb, Ph.D., has been detecting lies and verifying the truth since 1956. Dr. Gelb is known to attorneys for his expertise and noteworthy cases. He is known to the public through the T.V. program, "Lie Detector" which he hosted with attorney, F. Lee Bailey and as the lie detection expert on Spain's hit television program, "La Maquina De La Verdad." Dr. Gelb provides answers for attorneys having cases requiring the highest level of expertise. He also accepts corporate and private cases where accuracy is paramount. All inquiries are held in the strictest confidence.
World Famous Lie Detection Expert
State Of The Art Computerized Equipment
Past President Of The American Polygraph Association
Known For His Expertise Throughout The World
Confidential
Referrals From Top Flight Attorneys
Free Consultation Via Telephone
If You Want The Truth Contact Dr. Edward Gelb
Intercept
4201 Wilshire Blvd
#312
Los Angeles, CA. 90010
Ph: 323- 932-0200
Egelb43972@aol.com
Intercept Inc.
Polygraph Expert Known Around The World
Dr. Edward Gelb, Ph.D., has been detecting lies and verifying the truth since 1956. Dr. Gelb is known to attorneys for his expertise and noteworthy cases. He is known to the public through the T.V. program, "Lie Detector" which he hosted with attorney, F. Lee Bailey and as the lie detection expert on Spain's hit television program, "La Maquina De La Verdad." Dr. Gelb provides answers for attorneys having cases requiring the highest level of expertise. He also accepts corporate and private cases where accuracy is paramount. All inquiries are held in the strictest confidence.
World Famous Lie Detection Expert
State Of The Art Computerized Equipment
Past President Of The American Polygraph Association
Known For His Expertise Throughout The World
Confidential
Referrals From Top Flight Attorneys
Free Consultation Via Telephone
If You Want The Truth Contact Dr. Edward Gelb
Intercept
4201 Wilshire Blvd
#312
Los Angeles, CA. 90010
Ph: 323- 932-0200
Egelb43972@aol.com
Posted by Smokey
- Dec 25, 2005, 04:41 AMQuote from: gelb disliker on Dec 25, 2005, 01:23 AM$375.00 from Edward Gelb of Intercept Inc. Located in Los Angeles. He charges this much because he's supposedly got a PhD.
Yeah, I hear them folks with PhDs can detect a "lie" quicker than the ploygraphers without PhD's, RIGHT??
Posted by Trooper
- Dec 25, 2005, 02:06 AMThanks!
Posted by gelb disliker
- Dec 25, 2005, 01:23 AM$375.00 from Edward Gelb of Intercept Inc. Located in Los Angeles. He charges this much because he's supposedly got a PhD.
Posted by Seamarshal
- Dec 24, 2005, 11:57 PMIts pretty expensive:
It runs from $250-$300 for a typical 90 min session,
I suggest trying googling for a polygraph graph examiner, most of the time there are private detectives.
It runs from $250-$300 for a typical 90 min session,
I suggest trying googling for a polygraph graph examiner, most of the time there are private detectives.
Posted by Trooper
- Dec 24, 2005, 08:27 PMHow much do private polygraphs usually run?
Mine is next month and I am studying and practicing daily for it.
Mine is next month and I am studying and practicing daily for it.
Posted by Seamarshal
- Dec 24, 2005, 03:10 AMIs it also possible for them to throw in a control question for this type of test?
And would it be good idea to pay for a poly exam in order to get over the fear and anxiety of having to take one prior to the real pre-employment one?
And would it be good idea to pay for a poly exam in order to get over the fear and anxiety of having to take one prior to the real pre-employment one?
Posted by Seamarshal
- Dec 24, 2005, 12:58 AMOk thanks for the suggestion,
so let me get this right:
When the examiner states the test is about to begin: SPIKE IT (CM's)
Then SPIKE any 2 rellevant questions
When the examiner states the test is over: Spike it again?
Then on the next set of quetions spike 2 diffrent rellevant questions along with the begining and end?
And during the stim test spike the lie question (number I picked)
I need some feedback,
Is it possible for them to throw in a control question during this type of test?
And is it good advise to pay for your own poly exam in order to get over the fear and anxiety of taking own when its time to take the real one for employement?
How about the question is today _______?
so let me get this right:
When the examiner states the test is about to begin: SPIKE IT (CM's)
Then SPIKE any 2 rellevant questions
When the examiner states the test is over: Spike it again?
Then on the next set of quetions spike 2 diffrent rellevant questions along with the begining and end?
And during the stim test spike the lie question (number I picked)
I need some feedback,
Is it possible for them to throw in a control question during this type of test?
And is it good advise to pay for your own poly exam in order to get over the fear and anxiety of taking own when its time to take the real one for employement?
How about the question is today _______?
Posted by Smokey
- Dec 23, 2005, 05:42 AMQuote from: Seamarshal on Dec 22, 2005, 05:50 PMOk so I have a retest coming up and I am now well prepared exept this: During the stim test, (write down a number 1-10 and say no to all of them) when should I deploy countermeasures? Is it when I intentionally lie on the number I wrote down? Or all others exept the number I wrote?
One more thing if there are no control questions on the test except for relevant ones, when should I employ countermeasures
Thanks
Seamarshal,
In response to question #1, Yes it may bea good idea to employ a CM when told to "lie" about a number you wrote down "refer to Page 150 in TLBTLD).
If oyur test is a "Relevant/Irrelevant" test instead of a "Control Question Test," you may want to focus more on behavioral CMs and refer to Page 151 of TLBTLD. Good Luck
Posted by Seamarshal
- Dec 22, 2005, 05:50 PMOk so I have a retest coming up and I am now well prepared exept this: During the stim test, (write down a number 1-10 and say no to all of them) when should I deploy countermeasures? Is it when I intentionally lie on the number I wrote down? Or all others exept the number I wrote? 
One more thing if there are no control questions on the test except for relevant ones, when should I employ countermeasures
Thanks
One more thing if there are no control questions on the test except for relevant ones, when should I employ countermeasures
Thanks