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Posted by Rachel
- May 23, 2012, 11:51 PMMy favorite part of the whole "polygraph" bull shit...which is exactly what it is..is that the crazier you are..or the bigger liar you are..the better your chances are of passing it..as long as you believe yourself then you will not be nervous enough to fail the test...My biggest questions are..did any of our troops who fought for us ever have to take a poly to enter the military?? NOPE...did our President of the united states ever take one to get into office...NOPE...Do our teachers who work with our young innocent children have to take them...NOPE...so what exactly is the point of making some one willing to put themselves in danger everyday to protect a community have to pass it....a test that isn't even accurate!! Doesn't make sense to me!!!
Posted by LieBabyCryBaby
- May 02, 2009, 06:10 PMQuote from: polyfool on Nov 30, 2005, 01:11 AMJust in the nine months or so that I have been aware of the site, I've noticed the number of guests and registered users growing--a very good sign, indeed. That means more and more people are becoming aware of the polygraph's shortcomings.
Actually, it more likely means that polygraph use is increasing, and as a result there are more people coming on this website and others like it, where they receive poor advice from self-portrayed "experts" who have never had any practical experience whatsoever in conducting polygraph exams. The "anti-" crew on this website consists of a few people who failed the polygraph and then came on this website where they found like-minded individuals, all of whom also have no experience whatsover. That's the more likely story.
Posted by Lethe
- Apr 08, 2009, 11:46 PMOne major point to remember in all of this is this: there has never been any evidence that pre-employment screenings create a better workforce. The only people these exams can be said to be helping are the polygraphers themselves, vampires on society.
Furthermore, they're not particularly concerned that there's no evidence that they're actually helping others. All they care about is helping themselves, so who cares if it works?
Here I describe some very simple (and cheap) ways they could demonstrate that they are doing some good. They won't do it; they're evil.
Furthermore, they're not particularly concerned that there's no evidence that they're actually helping others. All they care about is helping themselves, so who cares if it works?
Here I describe some very simple (and cheap) ways they could demonstrate that they are doing some good. They won't do it; they're evil.
Posted by Sergeant1107
- Mar 08, 2009, 06:57 AMQuote from: applicant 2b on Mar 07, 2009, 08:48 PMSo they don't care if you did stuff when you were 10 and didn't really kno better?Call the person in the State Police who is handling your background check and ask them about the incident or incidents to which you are referring.
Posted by applicant 2b
- Mar 07, 2009, 08:48 PMSo they don't care if you did stuff when you were 10 and didn't really kno better?
Posted by EosJupiter
- Nov 30, 2005, 03:41 AMQuote from: Twoblock on Nov 29, 2005, 03:19 PMmustbaliar
MrAugust writes like Mercible. Not completely condeming, yet, but trolling just enough to draw responses. He mentions debate but he hasn't offered anything about the polygraph to debate. Could be him with a different ISP.
Twoblock,
You noticed the similarity too .... hmmm !!!
Check my earlier posts ...... Only Administrator can tell us if this is a known TCP/IP address. Unless he comes in under an anonymous domain.
Posted by polyfool
- Nov 30, 2005, 01:11 AMQuote from: MrAugust on Nov 29, 2005, 11:47 AMThe last 2 responses are just typical of how a lot of you folks think (and debate).
I just answered the question and explained why I believe it's accurate, and since there's no valid response the best thing to do is flame.
Polyfool why do YOU waste YOUR time on this site ? That's the real question. I'm dealing with a real time issue here while you are apparently dealing with some false positive bitterness that you're going to take out on every single person who dares to show you the truth.
Mr. August,
Another polygraph examiner asked me the very same thing several months ago. I'll tell you the same thing I told him. I do not consider the time I spend on this site a waste. I believe it's time well spent in helping to educate others about the myths surrounding the polygraph. Just in the nine months or so that I have been aware of the site, I've noticed the number of guests and registered users growing--a very good sign, indeed. That means more and more people are becoming aware of the polygraph's shortcomings. I use every chance I get to help spread the word about how polygraphs don't really work and warn others to NEVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES submit to one. I'm satisfied when they tell me how they've passed the message along to others.
It would be fair to say that prior to taking a polygraph, I had much more faith in them than the average person. The idea of taking one seemed cool to me and I thought the experience would be a neat one. I possessed very little knowledge about polygraphs and had never even heard the word countermeasures before. Those circumstances did very little for me in the way of accuracy as I told the truth and failed like many other posters on this site.
Your ASSumption that I am bitter couldn't be farther from the truth. My polygraph failure was actually a blessing in disguise and I don't regret that it prevented me from making a mistake. What I do regret is that I foolishly consented to something I knew nothing about. I hate the fact that what happened to me continues to happen to others and that a test that doesn't work is eliminating skilled, quality employees from the government workforce at taxpayer expense.
The only person who is bitter and overemotional around here is you.
Posted by MrAugust
- Nov 29, 2005, 06:15 PMQuote from: Twoblock on Nov 29, 2005, 03:19 PMmustbaliar
He mentions debate but he hasn't offered anything about the polygraph to debate.
{sigh} For the umpteenth freaking time, read the findings in TLBTLD from the 1983 Congressional OTA report, and the 2002 NRCC report - read where it talks about accuracy rates in situations where there are no countermeasures attempted. Then come back and tell me again then I haven't brought anything up for debate.
It's hysterical that now that I've done a little research and have formed some opinions that I'm being branded as a polygraph examiner. I don't even know what these machines look like for crying out loud.
Listen, I won't take it personally and I appreciate that you were honest with me - but there really is not much debate happening here - just accusations that I'm making this whole story up or that I'm really some user whom I've never heard of.
To be blunt, the reason why I've "...made up (my) mind..." has a LOT to do with the fact that for the most part noone really attempts to debate anything on here except George and Drew. At least when I disagree with them I can respect the fact that they are making a case, right or wrong, without being overemotional bitter flamers.
Posted by Twoblock
- Nov 29, 2005, 03:19 PMmustbaliar
MrAugust writes like Mercible. Not completely condeming, yet, but trolling just enough to draw responses. He mentions debate but he hasn't offered anything about the polygraph to debate. Could be him with a different ISP.
MrAugust writes like Mercible. Not completely condeming, yet, but trolling just enough to draw responses. He mentions debate but he hasn't offered anything about the polygraph to debate. Could be him with a different ISP.
Posted by mustbaliar
- Nov 29, 2005, 01:40 PMQuote from: MrAugust on Nov 29, 2005, 11:47 AMThe last 2 responses are just typical of how a lot of you folks think (and debate).
I just answered the question and explained why I believe it's accurate, and since there's no valid response the best thing to do is flame.
Polyfool why do YOU waste YOUR time on this site ? That's the real question. I'm dealing with a real time issue here while you are apparently dealing with some false positive bitterness that you're going to take out on every single person who dares to show you the truth.
Don't take it too personally. You have to understand that most of the members of this site have been bitten by the polygraph, in some form or another.
You initially came to this site asking for honest opinions about the polygraph, under the guise of a concerned husband wanting answers about his wife's possible misdeeds. You said something to the effect of, "I really don't have a clue about the polygraph other than what I've read." While that may be true, once you started to receive the honest answers and opinions you asked for, you immediately started with the typical pro-polygraph rhetoric that we are all too used to seeing on this site. You got us hook, line, and sinker. You sucked us into your debate and now here we are. If you sense any frustration on our part it's because we would prefer that people just be honest up front about their position and start a dialog without the needless games, and indeed, without wasting our time.
That is the best explanation I can give. It would seem you already had your mind made up, even while posting your initial message to this board. This is our perception, just as your perception is we are all "dealing with some false positive bitterness." This is an emotional issue for many of us here, so when you come here asking us for our opinions, especially when it concerns the possible future of someone's marriage, you better believe we are going to give it to you hard and straight. If you think we are bitter, wait and see what happens with your wife if she becomes a false-positive victim.
Regards and good luck
Posted by MrAugust
- Nov 29, 2005, 11:47 AMThe last 2 responses are just typical of how a lot of you folks think (and debate).
I just answered the question and explained why I believe it's accurate, and since there's no valid response the best thing to do is flame.
Polyfool why do YOU waste YOUR time on this site ? That's the real question. I'm dealing with a real time issue here while you are apparently dealing with some false positive bitterness that you're going to take out on every single person who dares to show you the truth.
I just answered the question and explained why I believe it's accurate, and since there's no valid response the best thing to do is flame.
Polyfool why do YOU waste YOUR time on this site ? That's the real question. I'm dealing with a real time issue here while you are apparently dealing with some false positive bitterness that you're going to take out on every single person who dares to show you the truth.
Posted by Twoblock
- Nov 28, 2005, 08:20 PMMr.August
I agree with polyfool.
You talk like God in AMOS. "For three transgressions and for four, I will not turn away the punishment of my wife". Is it in you to forgive?
Your mind is already made up. So go ahead and do it and destroy your wife's life then try to live with that the rest of your life. The "flip" of the polygraph is NOT going to prove or disprove her guilt. OH sorry, you have the misguided belief that it's 90% or better. On the other hand, what if she is in the 10%?
I agree with polyfool.
You talk like God in AMOS. "For three transgressions and for four, I will not turn away the punishment of my wife". Is it in you to forgive?
Your mind is already made up. So go ahead and do it and destroy your wife's life then try to live with that the rest of your life. The "flip" of the polygraph is NOT going to prove or disprove her guilt. OH sorry, you have the misguided belief that it's 90% or better. On the other hand, what if she is in the 10%?
Posted by polyfool
- Nov 28, 2005, 07:42 PMMr August,
Why are you wasting time going back and forth with the posters on this site? Don't you have a polygraph to schedule for your wife? Once you get the results, you'll have the rest of your life to wonder whether she cheated on you. According to your research, polygraphs are 80-90% accurate. That leaves a 10-20% doubt in your mind forever.
Why are you wasting time going back and forth with the posters on this site? Don't you have a polygraph to schedule for your wife? Once you get the results, you'll have the rest of your life to wonder whether she cheated on you. According to your research, polygraphs are 80-90% accurate. That leaves a 10-20% doubt in your mind forever.
Posted by MrAugust
- Nov 28, 2005, 06:02 PMQuote from: EosJupiter on Nov 26, 2005, 08:33 PMMr August,
Yes, I am very robust in my opinions and actions in regards to polygraphy. And sometimes get taken to task for it. But until your the one sitting in the chair getting grilled, there is no way you can understand the situation. And my feelings are for your wife, in that you are going to make her suffer mental torture. Not something I would do to someone I cherish in my life.
What if you thought she may have cheated on you and have no other way of knowing the truth. Perhaps you should sit in the chair I'm sitting in, sir, believe me - it's less comfortable.
Posted by MrAugust
- Nov 28, 2005, 06:00 PMQuote from: polyfool on Nov 27, 2005, 11:48 PMMr. August,
I'm just curious as to why in all your research on this site, you've walked away with the impression that being an uninformed examinee results in accuracy?
Because in TLBTLD, for starters, it discusses this exact issue with the NRCC's conclusions during its 2002 report.