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Posted by lookingforajob
 - Nov 16, 2005, 09:19 PM
wallerstein-

i was also deemed unsuitable by CIA and am now applying to other agencies.

on the SF86, mark YES for have you ever been investigated by the gov't. having had the polygraph is enough to count as being "investigated." it does not matter that the BI had not started. in fact, someone else on this board was in your exact same situation many years ago, marked NO (because a BI had not started) and it came back to bite him in the ass 10 years later at the agency he's working at now.

see polyrized's post at: https://antipolygraph.org/forum/index.php?topic=2534.msg17882#msg17882

when the form asked what clearance you received, just write N/A or something since you obviously never got one.

anyway, i don't know if being deemed unsuitable by CIA means we're blacklisted at other places or not... we shall see i suppose.
Posted by monsterinthecorner
 - Nov 04, 2005, 06:42 PM
"unsuitable" means your personality profile is not compatible OR you need further "experience."  get a language.   do something to better yourself.
Posted by Wallerstein
 - Oct 31, 2005, 01:26 PM
I was polygraphed, but not BI was started.  

Thanks George.
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Oct 31, 2005, 01:12 PM
Question #26 on SF-86 asks, "Has the United States Government ever investigated your background and/or granted you a security clearance?" Based on one of your earlier posts indicating that the CIA polygraphed you and suggesting that a background investigation had begun, I think you would have to answer this question "yes." You can provide an explanation in the continuation space at the end of the form, and use extra sheets of paper if necessary.
Posted by Wallerstein
 - Oct 31, 2005, 12:53 PM
Beaner. Read what I wrote carefully.

I have no desire to lie to anyone.  I only want clarification.

I'll try this again, ok?

Question 26A of SF 86 specifically asks if you have been investigated by the federal government.  If you answer yes the CLEAR PRESUMPTION by the question is that you received the clearance because it asks you to fill in the clearance received.

NOW, I was specifically told in my dinging letter that I could affirm that I was never denied a security clearance.  

So, the issue is YES I was investigated, but NO I WAS NOT denied a security clearance.  So, when I ANSWER YES on QUESTION 26A that YES I WAS INVESTIGATED, what do I fill in for Security clearance received?  

George, do you have any idea?

Thanks.
Posted by polyrized
 - Oct 29, 2005, 10:53 AM
Beaner

There is no place on the 86 to indicate that a person had a COE rescinded after their pre-screening process.  It only asks if a person had a BI and states if the person is unsure they should answer 'no'.

Further - the subject of previously having had a COE rescinded may never even come up on a BI unless specifically brought up by the person who is being investigated.

Posted by Beaner
 - Oct 29, 2005, 03:35 AM
I know this much - lie, or fail to tell the investigator on the SF86 about Agency ding'ing you and you will never get a clearance... fastest route to getting bounced - short of having a film of you handing secrets to the Soviets - is to lie to the investigation team...
Posted by polyrized
 - Oct 19, 2005, 10:32 PM
The CIA routinely uses the polygraph pre-employment screening to keep from spending money on full BIs.  There are citations to prove this and their own job advertisements differentiate between the BI and polygraph.

Although the 86 is unclear, when the investigator interviews you for your BI then I would definitely disclose your previous disqualification to avoid big problems later on.  Of course, you risk never getting the job and having an appeals process open to you because they can use items in the polygraph interview to decline the job based on vague 'suitability' considerations rather than security issues.

Good luck.
Posted by Wallerstein
 - Oct 19, 2005, 02:00 PM
I was bonked 2 months after poly.  as far as I know, no BI was started.  

Posted by longtimelistener
 - Oct 19, 2005, 12:40 PM
Hi Wallerstein...sorry to hear about the bad news.

Yeah, same question as above: how long after the polygraph and/or the completion of your BI did you get this unsuitable letter?

I am currently waiting for my security clearance (it has been 8 months since my COE and 4 months since the completion of my BI), and I get more nervous with each day.

Also, do you have any idea or guesses as to why you were deemed "unsuitable"?  Any past drug use, excessive alcohol use, extensive foreign travel, etc etc?

I am on pins and needles and fear a similar "suitability" letter...ugggh

Thanks for any light you can shed on the matter!
Posted by bailyt
 - Oct 19, 2005, 03:39 AM
Wallerstein, I'm sorry to hear that you did not get cleared.

I am in a similar situation in that I am applying for a security clearance.  Do you know if a background investigation was actually conducted?  If it was, can I ask how long between the end of the investigation and them letting you know the bad news?  Best of luck, -B
Posted by Wallerstein
 - Oct 18, 2005, 08:09 PM
Well I'm crushed.  I was deemed unsuitable by the CIA.  Anyway, the letter from the CIA stated that I was determined unsuitable "at this time" and that I could reconsider applying in one year since time passage could be mitigating.  This is probably boilerplate stuff I suppose.

First question is:  does anyone think this is possible or am I just blackballed for life? (I only ask because working at the CIA is my dream job)

Next question:  The letter stated that I could affirm in future apps that I have never been denied a security clearance.  Only problem with that is that the SF 86 specifically asks "have you ever been investigated by the federal government?"  If yes you have to fill out the clearance obtained.

What are you supposed to fill out then?   George (or anyone) if you have some insight I would appreciate a response.  THanks.