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Posted by anxietyguy
 - Jan 22, 2005, 11:32 AM
Quote from: Ray on Jan 22, 2005, 01:41 AM



Anxiety and Dimas - Thanks for jumping in with your generalized, personal attacks.

My post was not personalized, rather directed toward all polygraphers so don't take it too personal I dislike all of you equally.
Posted by Jeffery
 - Jan 22, 2005, 11:03 AM
Quote from: Ray on Jan 22, 2005, 01:41 AM

No Jeff, they forge a post which would support the anti-polygraph position.    

Why would somebody against the polygraph forge a post being against the polygraph?  There is enough truthful evidence against the polygraph that there would be no need to forge it.
Posted by dimas
 - Jan 22, 2005, 04:31 AM
Quote from: Ray on Jan 22, 2005, 01:41 AM

No Jeff, they forge a post which would support the anti-polygraph position.    

ummm...   who is "they"?  

It looks to me that you are not reading this properly and perhaps need to read it again to understand the post.

Quote from: Ray on Jan 22, 2005, 01:41 AM

Anxiety and Dimas - Thanks for jumping in with your generalized, personal attacks.


My attack was not generalized, as it is pretty hard to make a generalized/personal attack.  It was directed from A to B with a specific criticism of the person's spelling ability.  

Yes, I did attack this person and would do it again and again.  
Why?  Simple, if someone in this law enforcement field considers himself enough of an educated professional to decide the fate of applicants/parolees/criminals through their "intense training and knowledge of human physiology" then I would hope that they were at least smart enough to properly spell DAMN; a word that is used very regularly in America.

From your post it appears that you have read my posts before and if you had bothered to actually understand what you have read you would have realized that I am both for and against the use of polygraphs and have often stated how valuable they are as an investigative/interrogation tool in LE, but a person's life should not be decided solely  on the results of the poly.

Therefore, I am merely attacking this individual for his incompetence and not because he is a polygrapher.  
Posted by Ray
 - Jan 22, 2005, 01:41 AM
QuoteDid they forge a post in support of the polygraph??

No Jeff, they forge a post which would support the anti-polygraph position.    

Anxiety and Dimas - Thanks for jumping in with your generalized, personal attacks.

Posted by dimas
 - Jan 21, 2005, 10:41 PM
I can live with pro-poly individuals attempting to fool people on this site, because it is expected and goes hand in hand with what they do on a daily basis.

What I can't live with is a "professional examiner" whose expertise is relied upon to make career decisions not being able to properly spell DAMN!   I would love to see how he spells dumb ::)

In all seriousness they deceive people for a living what do you expect?  


By the way, George excellent job at investigating this.
Posted by anxietyguy
 - Jan 21, 2005, 08:55 PM


Code Select
There are bad apples on both sides of the fence
There are good apples-truthful people
There are bad apples-liars
There are rotten apples-polygraphers

Anxiety
Posted by Jeffery
 - Jan 21, 2005, 08:36 PM
Quote from: Ray on Jan 21, 2005, 08:19 PMbut to be fair, I think there are also an equal number of anti-poly folks out there who have forged posts.  
Did they forge a post in support of the polygraph??

Quote
There are bad apples on both sides of the fence.
Now that I can agree with.

I just can't stand a system that indiscriminitly crushes good apples along with the bad.
Posted by Ray
 - Jan 21, 2005, 08:19 PM
It's examiners like usarmyofficer who give us all a bad name.  What a disgrace....but to be fair, I think there are also an equal number of anti-poly folks out there who have forged posts.  

There are bad apples on both sides of the fence.
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Jan 21, 2005, 08:34 AM
It's worth noting that sherpolygraph/usarmyofficer2004 is not the first polygrapher to forge posts on this message board. Other examples include:
  • PolySucks/Cancerman, who posted deliberately misleading countermeasure tips;
  • Policeman, who pretended to be a law enforcement applicant who had had a very positive polygraph experience;
  • RETAO, who masqueraded as a convicted sex offender;
  • nopoly/POLYSCORE, who also masqueraded as a convicted sex offender.
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Jan 20, 2005, 04:54 PM
You're right. My web browser was loading them from its disk cache. If anyone would like to receive copies (I have saved them all), e-mail me and I'll forward them.
Posted by anxietyguy
 - Jan 20, 2005, 04:39 PM
George those links you listed are all dead.

I wonder what Mr. Sher is afraid of that he had to take his website down? Maybe he feels this may discredit his business he has going? Not surprised by these antics because after all, the name of the game is tricks when it comes to polygraphy is it not? Hopefully the real Mr. Sher will post here and not use one of his many aliases to give us an explanation.

Anxiety
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Jan 20, 2005, 04:20 PM
Some pages from the Sher Polygraph website are still available on-line:

http://www.sherpolygraph.com/index_002.htm

http://www.sherpolygraph.com/index_003.htm

http://www.sherpolygraph.com/index_004.htm

An earlier cached version of (http://www.sherpolygraph.com/index_002.htm) that is still available in Yahoo's cache provides the following information, which is not included in the current version:

QuoteMembers of our dedicated polygraph examiners were trained at the Strategic Training Academy. The academy is accredited by the National Polygraph Association. Our chief examiner Joseph S. Sher has a Bachelors of Science in Criminal Justice Administration and a Master of Arts in Leadership. Mr. Sher is also a veteran of the United States Marine Corps. During his tour as a U.S. Marine, Mr. Sher performed duties as a military law enforcement officer, marksmanship instructor, and electrical equipment repair specialists. Mr. Sher also has experience in Federal Law Enforcement. Mr. Sher brings a diverse background to the polygraph field.

Many of the other polygraph examiners on staff come from the corporate, government, and private sector.
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Jan 20, 2005, 08:08 AM
Not only did usarmyofficer2004 delete both of his posts here, but the website of Sher Polygraph Service has simultaneously disappeared:

http://www.sherpolygraph.com

I think this confirms that usarmyofficer2004 and sherpolygraph are very likely one and the same.

For those who didn't see it, the homepage of Sher Polygraph Service's website is still available in Google's cache:

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:rBBcuieSPFwJ:www.sherpolygraph.com/&hl=en

The main text of this page was as follows:

QuotePRIVATE INVESTIGATIONS:
We have investigators on staff that conducts investigations that includes but not limited to: Missing Persons, Infidelity, Criminal, and Pre-employment Background Investigations.

Our chief private investigator, James M. Martinez, PI# 24170 has extensive private investigations experience. Mr. Martinez served as a military police officer for the United States Army. Mr. Martinez was deployed as a military police officer in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom which helped liberated Iraq. Mr. Martinez is also a reserve police officer with the El Centro, Ca Police Department.

Please call or e-mail us if you have any questions pertaining to either our polygraph or investigation services.

Sher Polygraph Service's primary contact information was:

QuoteMailing Address
PO BOX 312
Orange, Ca 92856

Contact Number: (415)505-0857
Fax number:(866)675-5533
E-Mail: Sherpolygraph@aol.com
Posted by Administrator
 - Jan 20, 2005, 05:55 AM
"usarmyofficer2004" has chosen to delete his posts to this thread. But here is what he posted, for the benefit of any who missed it. His first post was on 15 January 2005 at 1:25 A.M.:

QuoteDang Georgie,

The damm thing you teaching us not working. I screwed myself listening to this countermeasure business. 10 years of US Army experience is worth nothing now.

Took the darn DEA polygraph. Tried to do the thing you taught us but one thing dude, these law enforcement people got smart.  They have stuff to detect us doing countermeasure. They now put a stupid pad on their polygraph seats.

DEA polygraph out of Los Angeles said I was trying to screw the test which I was but I was not going to admit to it.  I just thank him and walked out.  Longest day of my life.

My suggestion to all you that is taking poly's in the future, watch to see if they put that pad on the damm chair. If they do, dont do stuff.  

I am done ranting and raving, got to find out what the hell to do now.

And his second post was on 15 January 2005 at 3:32 P.M.:

QuoteAnxietyguy,

You right. I should not blame george. His method did work for me when I took the polygraph last week with the LAPD.  

I think the feds are more efficient. I honestly think those polygraph examiner at the LAPD are boneheads. I think my examiner was new to the division. I dont think he was a cop but a civilian examiner.  

I passed the lapd polygraph with flying colors. Hell, I was shocked when I passed when he asked whether I ever transported drugs.  

If DEA dont take me, atleast lapd will.
Posted by anxietyguy
 - Jan 19, 2005, 05:33 AM
Doesn't surprise me the least bit. The post didn't make much sense, it is also unlikely that one would have a polygraph with the L.A.P.D., and the very next week with D.E.A. (possible but not likley considering the length of a B.I.). The grammar just holds true to the reality that polygraphers really don't do their homework. (Nice try on the scare tactic though).

Anxiety