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Posted by Sergeant1107
- Aug 15, 2005, 02:48 PMRailroaded,
It would seem likely that your experience has made you cynical regarding police, and justifiably so. There are officers who break the rules and act inappropriately. There are also procedures in place to deal with them.
If you feel that you have been treated unprofessionally or illegally by any police officers then you can file a complaint. If you feel the police department is not handling your complaint in the proper fashion you can go to city hall. Since you already seem to have a lawyer he could probably give you more advice on this.
In most departments the bad officers do not outnumber the good. Honest, professional police officers have even more incentive than you do to get control of and/or eliminate the bad police officers in their ranks.
It would seem likely that your experience has made you cynical regarding police, and justifiably so. There are officers who break the rules and act inappropriately. There are also procedures in place to deal with them.
If you feel that you have been treated unprofessionally or illegally by any police officers then you can file a complaint. If you feel the police department is not handling your complaint in the proper fashion you can go to city hall. Since you already seem to have a lawyer he could probably give you more advice on this.
In most departments the bad officers do not outnumber the good. Honest, professional police officers have even more incentive than you do to get control of and/or eliminate the bad police officers in their ranks.
Posted by railroaded
- Jul 28, 2005, 05:48 PMPlease allow to qualify my bitter-sounding comments. I know there are honest, good-hearted people working in law enforcement...especially patrol officers.
I have always tried to teach my kids that cops are the good guys.
Until recently, I always had nothing but a good impression of law enforcement. I had been in trouble quite a lot in my youth and had negative dealings with the police, but that was my fault and I held nothing against any of the officers who were doing their jobs.
But these State's Attorney investigators are a whole other matter. I have caught them in numerous lies from day one. For instance, they asked if I have porn on my computer and I replied "Yes". The next day he called my attorney and quoted me as saying "I have a big problem with porn".
They asked my kids to the CAC for their interviews and told them "We just want to protect you from who ever is hurting you. Tell us about your father."
To my wife while executing the search warrant: "It doesn't bother you that your husband has porn on his computer?"
During the execution of the search warrant, one of the investigators took a law code book that I had in my library, HIGHLIGHTED and UNDERLINED certain codes and sentences and left it open at my desk in front of my chair.
I have never been made to feel so degraded in my life.
I have always tried to teach my kids that cops are the good guys.
Until recently, I always had nothing but a good impression of law enforcement. I had been in trouble quite a lot in my youth and had negative dealings with the police, but that was my fault and I held nothing against any of the officers who were doing their jobs.
But these State's Attorney investigators are a whole other matter. I have caught them in numerous lies from day one. For instance, they asked if I have porn on my computer and I replied "Yes". The next day he called my attorney and quoted me as saying "I have a big problem with porn".
They asked my kids to the CAC for their interviews and told them "We just want to protect you from who ever is hurting you. Tell us about your father."
To my wife while executing the search warrant: "It doesn't bother you that your husband has porn on his computer?"
During the execution of the search warrant, one of the investigators took a law code book that I had in my library, HIGHLIGHTED and UNDERLINED certain codes and sentences and left it open at my desk in front of my chair.
I have never been made to feel so degraded in my life.
Posted by Sergeant1107
- Jul 28, 2005, 05:41 PMQuote from: railroaded on Jul 28, 2005, 05:09 PMYes, by all means wait until AFTER you are a cop before you start lying. After all, the Supreme Court has ruled that you can lie during interrogations.It's unfortunate that your experiences seem to have led you to the belief that the truth is in short supply in law enforcement. My experiences indicate that it is not.
And Polygraphers often lie to catch the examinee in a lie. It seems to me that the TRUTH is in short supply in LE.
There are flawed individuals in every profession. By and large, in my experience, police officers are honest people with strong moral beliefs who have a genuine desire to help. None of them are perfect, but most of them strive to do their best.
Posted by railroaded
- Jul 28, 2005, 05:09 PMYes, by all means wait until AFTER you are a cop before you start lying. After all, the Supreme Court has ruled that you can lie during interrogations.
And Polygraphers often lie to catch the examinee in a lie. It seems to me that the TRUTH is in short supply in LE.
And Polygraphers often lie to catch the examinee in a lie. It seems to me that the TRUTH is in short supply in LE.
Posted by Sergeant1107
- Jul 28, 2005, 04:53 PMQuote from: piglikedonut on Jul 26, 2005, 10:09 PMMOST departments in metro Atlanta view everyones' past drug usage on a CASE by CASE basis.I agree. If you are planning to lie you should not be trying to get a job in law enforcement. I believe the information in TLBTLD should be used by truthful people who are trying to protect themselves from a false positive. It is unfortunate that there is no way to release that information to just those people without making it available to everyone else at the same time.
Being a LEO myself I suggest to you TO TELL THE TRUTH!!! If you lie now, you will lie later!!!
As a law enforcement officer your credibility means a lot. If your peers catch you in a lie even once you are going to never live it down. If rumors of your dishonesty make it to the state's attorney's office you will likely not be called to testify. Once that happens you can rest assured that defense lawyers will hear about it and start calling you constantly, and if that happens you will have a hard time maintaining this career.
Posted by piglikedonut
- Jul 26, 2005, 10:09 PMMOST departments in metro Atlanta view everyones' past drug usage on a CASE by CASE basis.
Being a LEO myself I suggest to you TO TELL THE TRUTH!!! If you lie now, you will lie later!!!
Being a LEO myself I suggest to you TO TELL THE TRUTH!!! If you lie now, you will lie later!!!
Posted by mike_C.
- May 28, 2005, 01:26 AMPDD-Fed,
Any cop, any good street cop that is, would never have posted a response and added that they are the law. if you were really in law enforcement, I doubt very much you would have taken the bait, but you did. You responded with hostility and anger. I could see it in your sentences.
Most real cops and polygraphists don't post messages on these boards.....all they do is sit back and read. And wait.....
Mike_C.
Any cop, any good street cop that is, would never have posted a response and added that they are the law. if you were really in law enforcement, I doubt very much you would have taken the bait, but you did. You responded with hostility and anger. I could see it in your sentences.
Most real cops and polygraphists don't post messages on these boards.....all they do is sit back and read. And wait.....
Mike_C.
Posted by Kona
- Jun 20, 2004, 08:10 AMQuote from: Mr.ROID INFO on Jun 20, 2004, 04:45 AMKONA are you from Nampa, ID ?
Is that a geographical place? If it is.........the answer is no. I reside in California.
Kona
Posted by Mr.ROID INFO
- Jun 20, 2004, 04:45 AMKONA are you from Nampa, ID ?
Posted by Mr.Roid Info
- Jun 19, 2004, 06:50 PMDIMAS,
I must congratulate you, I think you actually got BJ to think before he speaks. Your a more patient man than I am I gave up on him after my third post. LOL
But I must admit I still have faith in BJ that he will make a triumphant comeback. LMFAO
I must congratulate you, I think you actually got BJ to think before he speaks. Your a more patient man than I am I gave up on him after my third post. LOL
But I must admit I still have faith in BJ that he will make a triumphant comeback. LMFAO
Posted by stud
- Jun 19, 2004, 02:57 AMQuote from: Kona on Jun 18, 2004, 09:50 AMI apologize kona if I offended you. If you are a police officer, then God bless you and keep up the good work. I'm trying to get on right now myself. All police officers are brothers, even if they have a difference of opinion. Cops fight the good fight, protecting and serving human beings, it's a magnificent endeavor. I hope I get on soon and join the rest of the brave men who put their lives on the line every day to keep this country a safe place to live.
Gee Stud, I don't remember saying anything of the sort. What I do remember saying was I wouldn't want someone on the force that injected an illegal drug, or used prescription drugs like oral steroids, percodan, vicodan and the like without being under proper medical care. Bottom line here is......it's not up to me to decide what prior drug usage is ok, and what isn't. Each individual police dept sets their own criteria......end of story.
Ok, fair enough. Let's say for example (to test your theory), a police applicant told you that 15 years ago he used to shoot up heroin to get high. Then, 10 years ago he got religion, kicked his dope habit, and now counsels kids about the evils of drugs. He's a changed man now, hallelujah!! That was a long time ago; he's not that man anymore, because he doesn't display the bad judgement that he once did. How would you feel about this guy joining your police department?
If you mean judgemental.....as in the capacity to form an opinion by distinguishing and evaluating.....yes I am. Unforgiving? Maybe to criminals and druggies, but not to a person that made an honest mistake.
Most people like myself are hypocrites? Ouch, that hurt. Please take it easy on me Stud. By "most people" I assume you mean other judgemental and unforgiving mean people like me, right?
I'm sure that there are many good officers like these. The problem is how you define "bad judgement," and where you draw the line between acceptable and unacceptable past behavior. Is it acceptable to have shot heroin when you were an 18 year old college student, or is a drunk driving ticket crossing the line? I have my own opinions regarding what is acceptable or not, and I post my opinions here on these message boards. You can take them, or leave them......I really don't care. Ultimately, the only thing that does matter is the police department's hiring policy.
Kona
COPS= COURAGEOUS ONES PROTECTING and SERVING.
Posted by dimas
- Jun 18, 2004, 01:37 PMQuote from: stud on Jun 18, 2004, 06:17 AMDimas, keep up the good work. You are BY FAR the more logical, rational, knowledgable, intellectual, and realistic one. Your opinions and advice are much more coherent and informative than those other 2 individuals. Your right Dimas, the one that is winning the discussion never resorts to personal insults as the other 2 are. It's known in philosophy as an ADD-Homonym, and the people using ADD-HOMONYMS are the ones LOSING the arguement.
Stud, I am not quite sure if you are really complimenting me or being sarcastic.
It is quite early so my brain isn't at 100% yet. Either way, welcome to the discussion board.As far as winning, I am not really out to "win" this per se, as much as I am really out to make people learn to use their minds. Ignorance is one of the most dangerous shortcomings out there.
As for Kona, while he and I have VERY different opinions on subjects it appears that we have both agreed to disagree on the subject without resorting to unnessesary personal attacks. I welcome argument from a person like Kona any day, as I feel it is worth it when they at least take the time to procees the information and acknowledge it. Unfortunately no matter how sure I am about the said officers in my arguments having been good officers he will not accept their mistake. Fortunately it is not his opinion that matters but that of the people who worked with these officers.
As for BJ, well there will always be people like him in life and all one can do is try to help them learn or ignore them, the latter will however, always continue to contribute to their ignorance. For the record, BJ, while a person's spelling is a good indicator of their level of intelligence, people should be open enough to know that some VERY intelligent people are in fact bad spellers and even some very good spellers occasionally misspell a word or two. While BJ has mastered the ability to use a spell checker and dictionary, lets hope he one day masters the ability to use common sense.
Have a safe and happy weekend.
Posted by Kona
- Jun 18, 2004, 09:50 AMQuote from: stud on Jun 18, 2004, 06:17 AMP.S. Kona, if it was up to you, anyone who ever smoked pot, got excessively drunk, or took a girlfriends motrin for pain would not get into LE.
Gee Stud, I don't remember saying anything of the sort. What I do remember saying was I wouldn't want someone on the force that injected an illegal drug, or used prescription drugs like oral steroids, percodan, vicodan and the like without being under proper medical care. Bottom line here is......it's not up to me to decide what prior drug usage is ok, and what isn't. Each individual police dept sets their own criteria......end of story.
Quote from: stud on Jun 18, 2004, 06:17 AMA person's judgement may change for the better over a period of time. Just because a person did something unhealthy 10 years ago, and used bad judgement while doing it, does not mean they still have poor judgement. .
Ok, fair enough. Let's say for example (to test your theory), a police applicant told you that 15 years ago he used to shoot up heroin to get high. Then, 10 years ago he got religion, kicked his dope habit, and now counsels kids about the evils of drugs. He's a changed man now, hallelujah!! That was a long time ago; he's not that man anymore, because he doesn't display the bad judgement that he once did. How would you feel about this guy joining your police department?
Quote from: stud on Jun 18, 2004, 06:17 AMYou make no sense, and are totally judgemental and unforgiving. Most people like yourself are incredible HIPOCRITES, doing the very thing you tell other not to.
If you mean judgemental.....as in the capacity to form an opinion by distinguishing and evaluating.....yes I am. Unforgiving? Maybe to criminals and druggies, but not to a person that made an honest mistake.
Most people like myself are hypocrites? Ouch, that hurt. Please take it easy on me Stud. By "most people" I assume you mean other judgemental and unforgiving mean people like me, right?
Quote from: stud on Jun 18, 2004, 06:17 AMThere are fantastic police officers out there who used poor judgement when they were younger(before they were cops) but they learned from there mistakes and bad judgement and became great people. They now turn people away from the very behavior, that was at one time, extremely detrimental to them. There own bad experiences have saved others from doing the very same awful thing.
I'm sure that there are many good officers like these. The problem is how you define "bad judgement," and where you draw the line between acceptable and unacceptable past behavior. Is it acceptable to have shot heroin when you were an 18 year old college student, or is a drunk driving ticket crossing the line? I have my own opinions regarding what is acceptable or not, and I post my opinions here on these message boards. You can take them, or leave them......I really don't care. Ultimately, the only thing that does matter is the police department's hiring policy.
Kona
Posted by stud
- Jun 18, 2004, 06:17 AMDimas, keep up the good work. You are BY FAR the more logical, rational, knowledgable, intellectual, and realistic one. Your opinions and advice are much more coherent and informative than those other 2 individuals. Your right Dimas, the one that is winning the discussion never resorts to personal insults as the other 2 are. It's known in philosophy as an ADD-Homonym, and the people using ADD-HOMONYMS are the ones LOSING the arguement.
P.S. Kona, if it was up to you, anyone who ever smoked pot, got excessively drunk, or took a girlfriends motrin for pain would not get into LE. A person's judgement may change for the better over a period of time. Just because a person did something unhealthy 10 years ago, and used bad judgement while doing it, does not mean they still have poor judgement. You make no sense, and are totally judgemental and unforgiving. Most people like yourself are incredible HIPOCRITES, doing the very thing you tell other not to.
There are fantastic police officers out there who used poor judgement when they were younger(before they were cops) but they learned from there mistakes and bad judgement and became great people. They now turn people away from the very behavior, that was at one time, extremely detrimental to them. There own bad experiences have saved others from doing the very same awful thing.
I hope you never do anyhting wrong KONA, you may not be able to live with yourself.
P.S. Kona, if it was up to you, anyone who ever smoked pot, got excessively drunk, or took a girlfriends motrin for pain would not get into LE. A person's judgement may change for the better over a period of time. Just because a person did something unhealthy 10 years ago, and used bad judgement while doing it, does not mean they still have poor judgement. You make no sense, and are totally judgemental and unforgiving. Most people like yourself are incredible HIPOCRITES, doing the very thing you tell other not to.
There are fantastic police officers out there who used poor judgement when they were younger(before they were cops) but they learned from there mistakes and bad judgement and became great people. They now turn people away from the very behavior, that was at one time, extremely detrimental to them. There own bad experiences have saved others from doing the very same awful thing.
I hope you never do anyhting wrong KONA, you may not be able to live with yourself.
Posted by dimas
- Jun 17, 2004, 02:53 PMQuote from: BlackJhack on Jun 17, 2004, 02:16 PMDimas,
I think you just showed everybody on the site what an angry person you are. You didn't address any of the topics at hand. I have so much that I could say about your last post, but I will refrain. Just relax, breathe and enjoy the weekend!
No, not angry at all, but I am disappointed. I find it disheartening that a future LE candidate (YOU) would show such lack of civility and reason. It appears to me that almost all your posts are written with the intent to insult and degrade the previous poster. infact I am a quite happy person and even happier because it appears I finally got you to be quiet. But of course you will come back and post something not making any sense, make unfounded and unnecessary personal attacks and once again display to all what an inappropriate demeanor you have by using expletives in place of well thought out argument backed by facts.
As for your lies, well you lied again.
QuoteYou didn't address any of the topics at hand.
Actually, yes, I did address the topics relating to your last post and here is one topic I forgot to address in one of you prior posts as well in which you wrote:
QuoteWOW!!! Now I have heard it all!! Not only is dimas a police officer, but now a practicing paramedic!! So you have been through the police and fire department academies, WOW!!!
I am not sure if it is ignorance or jealously that appears to motivate your ramblings, but I have a particular site I would like you to see regarding LE officers that actually go through both academies as their training requirments. I guess you now have heard and seen it all. Enjoy and hopefully learn to think before you post.
http://ci.alamogordo.nm.us/DPS/NewPage/TRAINING%20AND%20RECRUITING.htm
Even though it is only Thursday come the weekend I will make sure to enjoy it. Hopefully you will use your time constructively and use it to learn so that you can actually contribute a decent, thought out argument.