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Posted by alice
- Apr 02, 2005, 01:35 AMI know nothing about countermeasures...I know I want the job with the pd...and will soon be doing the background and poly along with physical.
I have nothing that should raise eyebrows or cause my blood pressure to rise...so I hope my job that I spent several years studying for wont be quashed by a poly..
Alice
I have nothing that should raise eyebrows or cause my blood pressure to rise...so I hope my job that I spent several years studying for wont be quashed by a poly..
Alice
Posted by NSAreject
- Apr 01, 2005, 06:55 PMClearever,
Did you ever make the decision to take the NSA poly,
after you got cleared with the other Intel agency ?
You know the risks involved, right ? I just had a chat,
with a couple of other TS/SCI non-poly cleared
co-workers, and surprisingly, they too knew about the
risks of the poly. They also agreed that it is a bunch of
crap, and that they would never take one. I informed
them of this site, as I do someone, almost on a daily
basis. I think, at least in the cleared community, that
people are starting to wise up. Unfortunately, I would
hazard a guess, that the Intel community will never
stop using the poly; they know, that they
"have you by the balls" - just like walking into the local
DMV. For the NSA poly unit, who knows who I am, there
was a "blue badger" at work, with his badge hanging
out - I laughed to myself, because it was like a big sign
around his neck saying, "I'm damaged goods". Hey,
are you guys going to be making anymore trips to
Safeway, or home ?
Did you ever make the decision to take the NSA poly,
after you got cleared with the other Intel agency ?
You know the risks involved, right ? I just had a chat,
with a couple of other TS/SCI non-poly cleared
co-workers, and surprisingly, they too knew about the
risks of the poly. They also agreed that it is a bunch of
crap, and that they would never take one. I informed
them of this site, as I do someone, almost on a daily
basis. I think, at least in the cleared community, that
people are starting to wise up. Unfortunately, I would
hazard a guess, that the Intel community will never
stop using the poly; they know, that they
"have you by the balls" - just like walking into the local
DMV. For the NSA poly unit, who knows who I am, there
was a "blue badger" at work, with his badge hanging
out - I laughed to myself, because it was like a big sign
around his neck saying, "I'm damaged goods". Hey,
are you guys going to be making anymore trips to
Safeway, or home ?
Posted by Skeptic
- Apr 24, 2004, 04:54 AMQuote from: I-Smell-BS on Apr 22, 2004, 07:17 PMIn honor of Earth Day, I would like to take this opportunity to thank George and all the reporters at the GRUDGE REPORT for their diligent efforts in bullshit production. Not only is bullshit a renewable source of energy, (methane gas), but it is a great natural fertilizer. The tree huggers of the world salute you! I would also like to give a special thanks to the leading bullshit producers this past year. Listed in order of production they are; George, Anonymous, and Triple X. Again, GRUDGE REPORT, thanks for all the bullshit.
I see the shining stars of the polygraphy community still insist on demonstrating here what trustworthy, mature, empathic individuals they are.
If anyone deserves an award, Mr. BS, it's you and your fellow polygrapher posters. You remain "exhibit A" as to why no one should trust polygraphers, period. We really couldn't do it without you.
With warmest regards,
Skeptic
Posted by triple x
- Apr 23, 2004, 12:59 AMI-Smell-Like-Bullshit,
Of all the posters on this board that you have to choose from, I'm flattered that you think of me...
You are obviously some bored individual, with few [if any] friends or a personal life. In addition, you possess a fixated fetish for insulting other people unjustly and without cause.
You try to bring attention upon yourself the only way you know how, by insulting other people and hoping to draw them into a pointless and childish argument.
Does your mommy know you visit and post on this message board.?
Shouldn't you be doing some homework or something...
Last but not least, I bet you can really "puff" on a flute in your high school marching band.
Your response is not required...!!
Triple x
Of all the posters on this board that you have to choose from, I'm flattered that you think of me...
You are obviously some bored individual, with few [if any] friends or a personal life. In addition, you possess a fixated fetish for insulting other people unjustly and without cause.
You try to bring attention upon yourself the only way you know how, by insulting other people and hoping to draw them into a pointless and childish argument.
Does your mommy know you visit and post on this message board.?
Shouldn't you be doing some homework or something...
Last but not least, I bet you can really "puff" on a flute in your high school marching band.
Your response is not required...!!
Triple x
Posted by Anonymous
- Apr 23, 2004, 12:47 AMQuoteI would also like to give a special thanks to the leading bullshit producers this past year. Listed in order of production they are; George, Anonymous, and Triple X
<award speech>Wow, I don't know what to say. I know I don't have a lot of time here, so... first I'd like to thank the little people out there - you know, the polygraph examiners - for fucking so many of us over and giving us this great topic to debate. Without you, this achievement wouldn't be possible. Next, I'd like to thank my fellow bullshit producers - George, Triple X and everyone else out there. To think - we started out just sitting in a chair with fucking wires practically hanging out of each major orafice (hmm, any research done there?) being told over and over 'I know you're not telling the truth here today' - but look at us now. I'm just so honored to receive this award.
Most importantly, I'd like to thank I-Smell-BS for recognizing my contribution. You know, you put so much effort into something and it often goes unnoticed. But I-Smell-BS, you took a chance and came though for me.
--- cue music ---
It looks like I'm out of time here. Thanks again to everyone, I'm truly honored by this recognition. I am exhilirated to know that the bullshit I've produced this year is making a difference in people's lives and I hope we all continue to make a difference. Good night and God bless</award speech>
--- cue a few tears, lift award to the audience ---
--- cue really hot woman escorting me off stage...---
---... and cue curtain ---
But seriously folks - is this all the examiner/pro-polygraph community has to offer to this debate? Is that it? To be perfectly honest, it's a little disappointing. Anyone? Anything?
Posted by I-Smell-BS
- Apr 22, 2004, 07:17 PMIn honor of Earth Day, I would like to take this opportunity to thank George and all the reporters at the GRUDGE REPORT for their diligent efforts in bullshit production. Not only is bullshit a renewable source of energy, (methane gas), but it is a great natural fertilizer. The tree huggers of the world salute you! I would also like to give a special thanks to the leading bullshit producers this past year. Listed in order of production they are; George, Anonymous, and Triple X. Again, GRUDGE REPORT, thanks for all the bullshit.
Posted by Marty
- Apr 22, 2004, 05:58 PMQuote from: Anonymous on Apr 22, 2004, 05:11 PMYou're out of line accusing George of trying to expose people and put their jobs at risk.
Actually, Cancerman was very much in line with his clear agenda. A failed one from his point of view. Not likely he will be bragging about this at the office.
-Marty
Posted by Canadian Crusader
- Apr 22, 2004, 05:57 PMAlso Cancerman (or whoever you are),
I think I can safely assume that you are not in the intelligence community what-so-ever after stating you thought that going on the internet and posting by some fictitious name affords you anonymity. Also, did you not investigate this page before posting? Posted, by Mr. Maschke, at the top of every page is a huge warning stating ways to post on this site and remain anonymous through anonymous web proxys.
George did not put your job at risk. You yourself put your job at risk if what you are saying is true.
The fact you came back and posted your last discord which sounded like a teenager that was just "dissed" by some kid in the school yard makes me think you are not at all what you claim. If your story is legitimate, why would you come back and confirm you were fresh out of college and hired with a XXX agency, from yongsan garrison, state there are very few people like you there, not in the military, etc, etc. Something doesn't fit right with me.
I don't have any formal law enforcement, military or intelligence training but I can categorically say I think you are not even close to what or who you say you are. I think we are on the money by stating you are a polygrapher. Nice attempts as misdirection though! Is that the official response to this web page? Are you polygraphers admitting defeat and now taking to a last resort, misdirection and reverse psycology to regain the mistique that you require for the poly to "work"?
Yes, expose away George.
I think I can safely assume that you are not in the intelligence community what-so-ever after stating you thought that going on the internet and posting by some fictitious name affords you anonymity. Also, did you not investigate this page before posting? Posted, by Mr. Maschke, at the top of every page is a huge warning stating ways to post on this site and remain anonymous through anonymous web proxys.
George did not put your job at risk. You yourself put your job at risk if what you are saying is true.
The fact you came back and posted your last discord which sounded like a teenager that was just "dissed" by some kid in the school yard makes me think you are not at all what you claim. If your story is legitimate, why would you come back and confirm you were fresh out of college and hired with a XXX agency, from yongsan garrison, state there are very few people like you there, not in the military, etc, etc. Something doesn't fit right with me.
I don't have any formal law enforcement, military or intelligence training but I can categorically say I think you are not even close to what or who you say you are. I think we are on the money by stating you are a polygrapher. Nice attempts as misdirection though! Is that the official response to this web page? Are you polygraphers admitting defeat and now taking to a last resort, misdirection and reverse psycology to regain the mistique that you require for the poly to "work"?
Yes, expose away George.
Posted by Anonymous
- Apr 22, 2004, 05:11 PMCancerman,
If all that you say is true, can you explain to us why you posted under 'PolySucks' and then posted again as 'Cancerman,' this time agreeing with the bad advice provided by 'PolySucks' (yourself)? Are you going to deny that this looks very odd, or are you going to try and tell us that you have another 'friend' from XXX agency there in Korea with you that hates the poly as well?
I'm sorry asshole, anyone posting information here needs to understand the risk involved. I can remember several instances where I read a post giving away way too much information only to be followed by a post from George warning this poster that he/she is in danger of being identified. You're out of line accusing George of trying to expose people and put their jobs at risk. However, a polygrapher asshole trying to trick people up with bad information that doesn't have the sense to avoid posting from the office? Expose away, George.
If all that you say is true, can you explain to us why you posted under 'PolySucks' and then posted again as 'Cancerman,' this time agreeing with the bad advice provided by 'PolySucks' (yourself)? Are you going to deny that this looks very odd, or are you going to try and tell us that you have another 'friend' from XXX agency there in Korea with you that hates the poly as well?
QuoteSo what you really did was expose me and put me and my dream job at risk by exposing my location when I had thought that I was safe and anonymous on the net
I'm sorry asshole, anyone posting information here needs to understand the risk involved. I can remember several instances where I read a post giving away way too much information only to be followed by a post from George warning this poster that he/she is in danger of being identified. You're out of line accusing George of trying to expose people and put their jobs at risk. However, a polygrapher asshole trying to trick people up with bad information that doesn't have the sense to avoid posting from the office? Expose away, George.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Apr 22, 2004, 03:26 PMCancerman,
You write, among other things:
With that simple statement (and disregarding your typo), you have in fact confirmed that you are a polygrapher. It is the polygrapher's shibboleth to refer to polygraphy (or polygraph testing) simply as "polygraph." Virtually no one else uses the word "polygraph" in this way.
You write, among other things:
QuoteI am not involved in polgraph [sic].
With that simple statement (and disregarding your typo), you have in fact confirmed that you are a polygrapher. It is the polygrapher's shibboleth to refer to polygraphy (or polygraph testing) simply as "polygraph." Virtually no one else uses the word "polygraph" in this way.
Posted by Marty
- Apr 22, 2004, 02:54 PMCancerman, aka PolySucks,
Nice attempt at damage control.
I'm sure George appreciates your contribution to counter counter measures.
As for net privacy, do you really expect the site administrator not to notice when you post under multiple aliases to support your comments? The more you talk the more inconsistent your story is, but then you are an admitted liar.
-Marty
Nice attempt at damage control.
I'm sure George appreciates your contribution to counter counter measures.
As for net privacy, do you really expect the site administrator not to notice when you post under multiple aliases to support your comments? The more you talk the more inconsistent your story is, but then you are an admitted liar.
-Marty
Posted by Cancerman
- Apr 22, 2004, 02:18 PMNow that I'm no longer on yongsan garrison, let's get something straight....
This is where you really went off the handle mr. masheke or however you spell your name.
I was more than willing to try to help others beat the poly--like I had, but you are wrong on multiple fronts:
You say that I'm a cid polygraph guy???
Nothing could be farther from from the truth. I am not involved in polgraph. In fact, I am not even in the military. The fact that you tried accused me of being a polygraph guy is the least of my worries. Do you know that there are nearly 40,000 military and civilian personnel stationed in Korea that are from the four services and other three lettered agencies?
The fact that you are a bit paranoid and pointed out yongsan garrison as the source of my posts is the onlly saving grace for me.....hello smart (paranoid) guy, I have never heard of college students having to take a polygraph to join the military!!!
Bit this is where you are really wrong and make me worry the most. It does not take much for a half assed government investigator to add 2+2 together...... After I posted on your site (thinking that I was safe with an anonymous post) you let others know that I was posting from yongsan garrison!!!!?
Hello!!!! I just told you that I had graduated from college and gotten a job with a xxx lettered agency. Let's see, there are only a few of us fron the xxx lettered agencies in Korea, and there are even less of us straight out of college serving in Korea. So what you really did was expose me and put me and my dream job at risk by exposing my location when I had thought that I was safe and anonymous on the net. Do you really expect others to post their polygraph experiences now that they know that you may exposed their locations and possibly put their jobs/careers at risk by you giving away their locations??!!!!
I appreciate the fact that you may be a bit upset because you didn't employ the countermeasures correctly and failed your poly test, but don't try to ruin other peoples' careeers by exposing their locations and taking away any bit of anonymity that they may enjoy on the net. After all, if you exposed each and every poster's locations, how many people do you really expect to post on this site???!!!???
Is this what I get for sharing my experiences and hopefully helping others? Okay then super sleuth, get a different job, because in your paranoid efforts to "expose" me, you really did expose me and my career.
I'd better get off the net before you really try to pinpoint my location and give me away to governement authoritities!!!!
This is where you really went off the handle mr. masheke or however you spell your name.
I was more than willing to try to help others beat the poly--like I had, but you are wrong on multiple fronts:
You say that I'm a cid polygraph guy???
Nothing could be farther from from the truth. I am not involved in polgraph. In fact, I am not even in the military. The fact that you tried accused me of being a polygraph guy is the least of my worries. Do you know that there are nearly 40,000 military and civilian personnel stationed in Korea that are from the four services and other three lettered agencies?
The fact that you are a bit paranoid and pointed out yongsan garrison as the source of my posts is the onlly saving grace for me.....hello smart (paranoid) guy, I have never heard of college students having to take a polygraph to join the military!!! Bit this is where you are really wrong and make me worry the most. It does not take much for a half assed government investigator to add 2+2 together...... After I posted on your site (thinking that I was safe with an anonymous post) you let others know that I was posting from yongsan garrison!!!!?
Hello!!!! I just told you that I had graduated from college and gotten a job with a xxx lettered agency. Let's see, there are only a few of us fron the xxx lettered agencies in Korea, and there are even less of us straight out of college serving in Korea. So what you really did was expose me and put me and my dream job at risk by exposing my location when I had thought that I was safe and anonymous on the net. Do you really expect others to post their polygraph experiences now that they know that you may exposed their locations and possibly put their jobs/careers at risk by you giving away their locations?
?!!!! I appreciate the fact that you may be a bit upset because you didn't employ the countermeasures correctly and failed your poly test, but don't try to ruin other peoples' careeers by exposing their locations and taking away any bit of anonymity that they may enjoy on the net. After all, if you exposed each and every poster's locations, how many people do you really expect to post on this site???!!!???
Is this what I get for sharing my experiences and hopefully helping others?
Okay then super sleuth, get a different job, because in your paranoid efforts to "expose" me, you really did expose me and my career. I'd better get off the net before you really try to pinpoint my location and give me away to governement authoritities!!!!
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Apr 22, 2004, 08:40 AMAlthough the polygraph community has not demonstrated that it has any reliable technique for the detection of countermeasures, there is an aphorism amongst polygraphers that, "if a reaction seems to good to be true, it probably is." That is, unusually strong reactions to "control" questions may be taken as an indication of attempted countermeasures.
PolySucks/Cancerman's posts urging readers to "Hold it Long, Hold it Strong!!!!" are apparently intended to increase the likelihood that anyone following this advice will be suspected of countermeasure use.
PolySucks/Cancerman's posts urging readers to "Hold it Long, Hold it Strong!!!!" are apparently intended to increase the likelihood that anyone following this advice will be suspected of countermeasure use.
Posted by Marty
- Apr 22, 2004, 06:18 AMQuote from: Administrator on Apr 22, 2004, 05:56 AMThe post made by "PolySucks" on 21 April at 20:37 hours and the post made by "Cancerman" at 21:35 hours (in addition to subsequent posts) originated from the same IP address, which resolves to "yongsan-cache.korea.army.mil." Yongsan Army Garrison in Korea hosts the 19th Military Police Battalion (Criminal Investigative Division), which has a polygraph section, and posts by "PolySucks" and "Cancerman" seem likely to be the fictional writings of a CID polygrapher.
Do tell!
ROFLMAO!
You go boy!
-Marty
Posted by Marty
- Apr 22, 2004, 05:56 AMQuote from: Cancerman on Apr 22, 2004, 05:32 AM2. Q. While I think the polygraph has a large "woo-woo" aspect, do you feel at all guilty that you fraudulently obtained employment?
A. No, not feeling quilty. Who said I gained fraudulent employment? I met all the requirements for employment, to include passing a polygraph.
ROFLMAO, Cancerman, I enjoy your posts! As for your gaining fraudulent employment, I am unaware of ANY agency that does not specify disqualifying criteria PRIOR to the polygraph. The polygraph is used only to [presumably] validate established employment criteria. Are you suggesting that your polygraph covered areas that were not disqualifying had you answered truthfully.?
-Marty