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Posted by n0mad
 - Dec 05, 2003, 07:50 PM
You can't have a debate without both sides.  Even if what you have to say is legitimate, it will have no baring. The amount of people who take polygraph's compared to those who come here is no comparison. Your secret is safe with "us".  :-X
Posted by Ray
 - Dec 05, 2003, 07:45 PM
n0mad,
Why would/should I reveal George's errors?
Posted by n0mad
 - Dec 05, 2003, 06:18 PM
Quote from: Ray on Dec 05, 2003, 06:14 PM
Much of the advice that you give on this site is mistaken...and no I won't explain how or why it is such.

No, of course you wont.
Posted by Ray
 - Dec 05, 2003, 06:14 PM
George,

It is obviously not in the best interest of polygraph to correct the errors in the advice you give to those people who intend to attempt your "countermeasures."

Much of the advice that you give on this site is mistaken...and no I won't explain how or why it is such.
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Dec 04, 2003, 11:10 PM
Ray,

If you honestly think I am mistaken, please explain.

But as for your advice that Guest "[j]ust tell the truth" and that he/she will "be fine" if he/she has "nothing to hide," get real. CQT polygraphy has no scientific basis and truthful persons have no reason for confidence that the polygraph will find them to be non-deceptive.

And considering that in CQT polygraphy it is assumed that all subjects will be less than fully honest when answering the "control" questions, your admonition to "just tell the truth" is patently insincere.
Posted by Ray
 - Dec 04, 2003, 09:08 PM
George wrote:

QuoteI am not confident that such is the case and, as I mentioned before, understand it to be intended as a "control" question.

Guest,

George seems pretty sure of himself here, right?  Go ahead and follow his advice...he knows what he is saying...I think...looks like George may have some bad info....

Just tell the truth.  If you have nothing to hide, you'll be fine.
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Dec 04, 2003, 06:31 PM
Guest,

The appropriate answer you should give to both of the questions you listed is "no."

I agree that the first question, "Is there anything in your background that you are afraid our investigator might find out?" is likely intended as a "control" question, and one to which you should be prepared to produce a response if you choose to employ countermeasures.

However, the second question, "Is there something that I didn't ask that you're afraid that I will ask?" is not a "control" question. It is what is commonly termed "symptomatic" or "outside issue" question. You'll find these addressed at p. 106 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector (3rd ed.). There is no need to produce a response to this question.

Torpedo seems to be suggesting that the first question you listed is also a "symptomatic" question. However, I am not confident that such is the case and, as I mentioned before, understand it to be intended as a "control" question.
Posted by n0mad
 - Dec 04, 2003, 06:19 PM
Why not tell the truth? If you are still asking that question, you have no idea why antipolygraph.org exists.
Posted by Torpedo
 - Dec 04, 2003, 05:39 PM
Oh yes, Guest, please follow Treetops suggestion.....NOT!......You see George what you have spawned.  I am, certain you know what type of questions these are....and clearly Treetops does not and here is is making suggestions to people on how to defeat the test.  How ignorant can you get?  Go ahead Guest...yu are about to get caught and listening to Treetops (where he should stay), is the poorest advice that you can obtain....hey, I have a unique approach....why not tell the truth!
Posted by treetop
 - Dec 04, 2003, 05:31 PM
Answer "no" to both and use countermeasures on both when hooked up to the machine.  Then, when the test is over, he will tell you that you reacted to those two questions and will ask you why you think you did.  That is when you tell him your "excuse".  For example, for the first question, you would said that when you were asked the question, you remembed sneeking into a movie theater when you were a kid and forgot to mention it to him.  On the second question, tell him that when he asked the question, you thought of how embarrassing it would be to have to tell he what you like to do in bed with your girlfriend or wife and it makes you uncomfortable.   By doing that, you give him a valid reason to why you reacted to the control questions and then he will compare the relevant questions to those.  
Posted by Guest
 - Dec 04, 2003, 05:05 PM
After reading LBTLD, I'm curious if I should answer yes or no to these controls:

Is there anything in your background that you are afraid that our investigator might find out?

Is there something that I didn't ask that you're affraid that I will ask?

Thanks!