Quote from: Anonymous on Dec 03, 2002, 07:25 PM
PDD-Fed,
If you truly believe what you said regarding Mr. Bracy then accuse him publicly and openly and be prepared to support your statements. Otherwise your commentary appears to be nothing but cowardly libel stemming from backroom polygraph gossip...
Quote from: George W. Maschke on Dec 03, 2002, 06:20 PM
PDD-Fed,
The Marine embassy guards in Moscow who falsely confessed to espionage, and to whom I referred in my reply to Touche above, are Corporals Arnold Bracy and Robert Williams, and Sergeant Vincent Downes, USMC. Their ordeal at the hands of Naval Criminal Investigative Service (then Naval Investigative Service) polygraphers is one of the more shameful chapters in the history of polygraphy. You will find it summarized at pp. 245-46 of the 2nd edition of David T. Lykken's A Tremor in the Blood: Uses and Abuses of the Lie Detector. Lykken's account is also cited in full beginning at p. 49 of the 2nd edition of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector.

Quote from: PDD-Fed on Dec 03, 2002, 03:32 PM
Wow! I did not know that Clayton Lonetree "Falsely Confessed." Gee, all those years he spent in prison, all the cooborating information gleened from former Soviet intelligence officials and his Russian Spy girlfriend (obviously falsley obtained, maybe through the use of one or more of those "coercive polygraphs.") I am SHOCKED, and APPALLED! All those judges and juries, WRONG! All those congressmen and Senators, briefed in scores of open and closed door sessions, WRONG! The entire American criminal justice and political systems, WRONG! I am sooo glad to have found this website. The ONE source for all truth and knowledge on this and all other topics. George, you are a PRINCE! and a real American hero....Bravo!
PDD-Fed

Quote from: George W. Maschke on Dec 03, 2002, 04:52 AM
Was Hirt's confession genuine? Or was it like...the Marine embassy guards in Moscow who, during coercive polygraph interrogations falsely confessed to espionage?
Quote from: touche on Dec 02, 2002, 07:44 PM
A high ranking officer called for Hirt to be arrested, yet the agents felt they needed more proof. Someone suggested Riedel and a "lie detector" test. Shortly thereafter, Hirt was arrested and brought to Riedel's office in California to have the test administered to him.
Despite the fact that he believed he would be vindicated by taking the test, Hirt was questioned by Riedel during the test.
When confronted with the deceptive results of the test, Hirt stated: "Hell, I see I can't get away with it. I might as well tell you the truth".
The story that the man slowly unfolded - a full confession - was startling. Not only did he frankly admit to spying for the Reich, but he also revealed every detail of his travels and his work under direct orders from Germany.
(A lengthy discussion takes place here where Hirt details how he performed his espionage activities, what his targets were (high altitude bombers) and how he communicated with his handlers in Germany using invisible ink letters)
After the details of Hirt's confession had been put on paper, he was returned to miltary custody and confined in an American military prison. He remained there long after the Nazi empire had collapsed. A trial was considered after the war,but higher military authorities realized it would be useless to attempt a formal trial because the principal corroborating witnesses were either dead in Germany or in prison as war criminals. Hirt was finally returned to Germany, and he quickly vanished.
Okay, there it is.
Quote from: George W. Maschke on Dec 02, 2002, 05:20 AM
Touche,
I largely agree with the views posted by Mark and Skeptic. I do think you've been unnecessarily coy up to this point.
Thank you for finally telling us what the pages you referenced are about: "it outlines a detailed use of the polygraph in WWII concerning the discovery of a Nazi spy."
For those who may still be mystified by your reference to Dr. Bob Parks and the American Physical Society, I assume you are referring to the following passage from the 25 June 1999 installment of Dr. Parks' weekly What's New commentary:
As for Dr. Parks' views being those of the APS, I suppose you missed his famous tagline with which he concludes each issue of What's New: "Opinions are the author's and are not necessarily shared by the APS, but they should be."
Quote2. SPY DETECTOR: DOE PREPARED TO BEGIN POLYGRAPH SCREENING.
An estimated 5000 nuclear weapons scientists and other employees will be tested. Yet, "There is almost universal agreement that polygraph screening is completely invalid," FBI polygraph expert Dr. Drew Richardson asserts. (Richardson taught his 10-year-old son to beat the test.) In 1997 Senate testimony, Richardson warned, "To the extent that we place any confidence in the results of polygraph screening, and as a consequence shortchange traditional security vetting techniques, I think our national security is severely jeopardized." Critics contend that the test measures general anxiety, nothing more. In addition, there is a potential for false confessions from traumatized examinees. Mark Mallah, a former FBI agent deemed deceptive by a polygraph exam and cleared after a 2-year investigation, says, "In all its history, the polygraph has not detected one single spy. Ever."
