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- Jan 07, 2025, 08:08 PMQuote from: John Doe on Jul 25, 2024, 07:26 PMQuote from: 7E6F646F7E2A0 on Aug 19, 2022, 11:18 PMMost RCMP PEP polygraphs are now done by contractors. The pre-test interview procedure (going over the RMAQ questionnaire) varies. Sometimes you are left alone with question categories under the different form sections to think about what else you might want to add and then write it down after some initial prompting; other times they go through all the questions one by one with you. I suspect they will phase out the polygraph over the next few years. Mention of it has already been removed from the "How to apply to become an RCMP officer" page at:
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/how-to-apply
The recruiter will just quote what is in the applicant PEP booklet or information sheet (which incidentally was initially developed by a US polygraph company word for word).
The machine does not and cannot show deception. The machine shows a physiological response which can be deemed a significant response by the examiner. If the examiner really doesn't like you, then he (never saw a she), might conduct a post-test interrogation essentially asking which question you think that you reacted to the most, why do you think you reacted to that question, and asking you, "when was the last time that you...", looking for any admissions. If the examiner likes you then nothing will be said and the Significant Response (SR) will simply be noted in the report. There's a reason why the PEP is done by independent contractors and it's to avoid that first scenario.
In both cases it's not possible to really "fail" the lifestyle scope polygraph step without making significant admissions (the exception being US CI (counterintelligence) scope polygraphs where you can fail by chart point scoring alone). It's just an enhanced lifestyle background interview with props and a flair for the dramatic. The report then goes to recruiting to review. Before, when they had RMs like Sergeants do it in house, that person could literally pick up the phone, call the Recruiting Corporal and influence the file, but now it's probably all contractors submitting a written report reviewed by a civilian analyst. At best it can be inconclusive solely going by the machine so you might not "pass". What would happen is that someone in recruiting would review the report (for new disclosures) and decide if it's a deferral or whether you continue on to the next step.
It used to be something like this in general:
NRPC – Suitability reviews the RMAQ.
NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder.
If the applicant is not recommended, then the application is closed.
If the applicant is recommended, then the application will move forward to TVS.
TVS will administer the PEP.
NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder and the application will move forward to NRPC - Suitability.
NRPC – Suitability reviews the PEP results.
NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder.
If the applicant is not recommended, then the application is closed.
If the applicant is recommended, then the application will move forward to DSB and divisional Health Services, concurrently.
No one can identify true "signs of deception", not the machine, not the examiner, and sometimes not even the applicant. It's a true wilderness of mirrors!
Here is an example of how accurate the RCMP pre-employment polygraph PEP examination is:
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/alleged-voyeur-mountie-is-also-a-suspended-military-police-officer
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-mountie-accused-of-sex-offences-involving-minors-pleads-not-guilty-1.5935774
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2020/07/16/suspended-richmond-rcmp-officer-charged-with-voyeurism-sexual-assault-in-ottawa/
https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/suspended-richmond-rcmp-officer-charged-with-voyeurism-sexual-assault-in-ottawa-3125160
Seangio began his training at the RCMP Depot in June 2016 and later that year was posted to the Richmond, B.C. detachment, one of the largest in the country.
Indeed, many of the charges against Seangio laid by Ottawa police predate him becoming an RCMP police officer.
Ottawa police allege the offences span from 2011 to 2018.
Seangio joined the Richmond RCMP in 2016 (this means he did the PEP within 12 months of June 2016). Yet, the suspended RCMP officer has been charged with 34 counts of voyeurism and three counts of sexual assault involving six women known to him. According to the Ottawa Police Service (OPS), the alleged offences in Ottawa occurred between 2011 and 2018 while he was living in that city.
The RCMP Member went through the PEP stage AFTER the Ottawa incidents took place. This is probably the best example of how useless the RCMP PEP stage and polygraph truly is. It detected nothing and the guy most likely had zero training about how to defeat it. It's true, you only need to be relaxed and confident to pass. And of course, make no admissions (the only way to really "fail" the RCMP PEP).
P.S.
Here is a great report about the RCMP (Regular Member) RM recruitment process. I think it's worth a read:
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/integrated-assessment-regular-member-recruitment
The most interesting piece is this "2018: Acceptance of "Significant Reactions" during the PEP". It basically means the polygraph is as useless as everyone knew it was and the only way to "fail" that step is if you make disqualifying admissions, which would disqualify you before the PEP ever happened or shortly thereafter if disclosed later. In other words, it's literally impossible to fail the PEP from the machine results or the polygraph operator's opinion alone. It's not like in the movies at all. I have personally done polygraphs several times with different examiners and I know it can be completely different depending on who does it. Or wait..."2019: Pilot to implement Eye Detect technology as a way to supplement the PEP"; maybe it really is like in Blade Runner and The Recruit! If you want to become an Intelligence Analyst, all of those positions are now civilian and don't even require a polygraph for the Top Secret RCMP clearance.
Appendix A – Major changes to RM recruitment
Changes to the organizational and program structure:
2004: Establishment of the lateral entry program
2006: Establishment of the NRP as a policy centre
2012: Establishment of the NRPC in Regina
2013: Establishment of the Experienced Police Officer Program
2014: Establishment of the Final Application Status Tracking (FAST) team
2014: Establishment of appeals process
2015: Establishment of the Aboriginal Applicant Mentorship Program
2016: Opportunity for applicants from E, K, F and D Divisions to select their home province for their first posting
2016: Decision to increase troops to 40 per year
2017: Establishment of the Business Intelligence Unit
2017: Pilot to centralize medical assessments at NHQ
2017: Transfer of the Aboriginal Applicant Mentorship Program to National Aboriginal Policing Services (in C&IP)
2018: Pilot of the Enhanced Training of Francophone Troop.
Changes to the process:
2013: Granting of conditional troop offers
2016: Electronic intake of applications and forms
2016: Implementation of Cognos
2016: Removal of conditional offers
2018: Implementation of ATS
2018: Decision to start the security clearance stage once medical has been completed
2018: Acceptance of "Significant Reactions" during the PEP
2019: Pilot to send unilingual French applicants for a 13 week intensive English language training prior to going to Depot
2019: Pilot to implement Eye Detect technology as a way to supplement the PEP
Changes to application requirements:
2013: Removal of mandatory requirement for applicants to attend a career presentation
2015: Requirement for applicants to complete hearing and vision exam before applying
2016: Acceptance of applicants who are permanent residents of Canada
Changes to the assessment tools:
2015: Requirement for applicants to pass PARE before applying
2015: Exemption of RPAT for applicants with university degrees
2016: Exemption of RPAT for applicants with a college diploma
2016: Removal of PARE requirement before applying
2016: Removal of RMSI (face-to-face interview)
2018: Establishment of the Right-Fit interview
RCMP police officer recruitment process map diagram, current in 2020 (rarely changes much):
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/wam/media/4461/initial/11270a07120b6376c5555acae6ea7be9.png
Hello, do you know if Significant Reactions are still accepted by the RCMP? Also, do you know if municipal agencies here in Canada fail you on chart point scoring alone?
The PEP is no longer a step in the RM recruitment and is not used to issue any security clearances in the RCMP. The polygraph may be used in special circumstances as an additional step when more information is required but it's just another suitability interview. It's all about disclosures and what goes in the report or what is recorded, not any SRs on a chart. Same thing goes for municipal, illegal in Ontario, but used elsewhere. It's just about disclosures and statements made in response to questions.
The only way to fail a polygraph step is to make disqualifying admissions or statements in response to questions. Even then the polygrapher doesn't get to decide if you "passed". The recruiting unit reviews the report later.
Posted by John Doe
- Jul 25, 2024, 07:26 PMQuote from: 7E6F646F7E2A0 on Aug 19, 2022, 11:18 PMMost RCMP PEP polygraphs are now done by contractors. The pre-test interview procedure (going over the RMAQ questionnaire) varies. Sometimes you are left alone with question categories under the different form sections to think about what else you might want to add and then write it down after some initial prompting; other times they go through all the questions one by one with you. I suspect they will phase out the polygraph over the next few years. Mention of it has already been removed from the "How to apply to become an RCMP officer" page at:
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/how-to-apply
The recruiter will just quote what is in the applicant PEP booklet or information sheet (which incidentally was initially developed by a US polygraph company word for word).
The machine does not and cannot show deception. The machine shows a physiological response which can be deemed a significant response by the examiner. If the examiner really doesn't like you, then he (never saw a she), might conduct a post-test interrogation essentially asking which question you think that you reacted to the most, why do you think you reacted to that question, and asking you, "when was the last time that you...", looking for any admissions. If the examiner likes you then nothing will be said and the Significant Response (SR) will simply be noted in the report. There's a reason why the PEP is done by independent contractors and it's to avoid that first scenario.
In both cases it's not possible to really "fail" the lifestyle scope polygraph step without making significant admissions (the exception being US CI (counterintelligence) scope polygraphs where you can fail by chart point scoring alone). It's just an enhanced lifestyle background interview with props and a flair for the dramatic. The report then goes to recruiting to review. Before, when they had RMs like Sergeants do it in house, that person could literally pick up the phone, call the Recruiting Corporal and influence the file, but now it's probably all contractors submitting a written report reviewed by a civilian analyst. At best it can be inconclusive solely going by the machine so you might not "pass". What would happen is that someone in recruiting would review the report (for new disclosures) and decide if it's a deferral or whether you continue on to the next step.
It used to be something like this in general:
NRPC – Suitability reviews the RMAQ.
NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder.
If the applicant is not recommended, then the application is closed.
If the applicant is recommended, then the application will move forward to TVS.
TVS will administer the PEP.
NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder and the application will move forward to NRPC - Suitability.
NRPC – Suitability reviews the PEP results.
NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder.
If the applicant is not recommended, then the application is closed.
If the applicant is recommended, then the application will move forward to DSB and divisional Health Services, concurrently.
No one can identify true "signs of deception", not the machine, not the examiner, and sometimes not even the applicant. It's a true wilderness of mirrors!
Here is an example of how accurate the RCMP pre-employment polygraph PEP examination is:
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/alleged-voyeur-mountie-is-also-a-suspended-military-police-officer
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-mountie-accused-of-sex-offences-involving-minors-pleads-not-guilty-1.5935774
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2020/07/16/suspended-richmond-rcmp-officer-charged-with-voyeurism-sexual-assault-in-ottawa/
https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/suspended-richmond-rcmp-officer-charged-with-voyeurism-sexual-assault-in-ottawa-3125160
Seangio began his training at the RCMP Depot in June 2016 and later that year was posted to the Richmond, B.C. detachment, one of the largest in the country.
Indeed, many of the charges against Seangio laid by Ottawa police predate him becoming an RCMP police officer.
Ottawa police allege the offences span from 2011 to 2018.
Seangio joined the Richmond RCMP in 2016 (this means he did the PEP within 12 months of June 2016). Yet, the suspended RCMP officer has been charged with 34 counts of voyeurism and three counts of sexual assault involving six women known to him. According to the Ottawa Police Service (OPS), the alleged offences in Ottawa occurred between 2011 and 2018 while he was living in that city.
The RCMP Member went through the PEP stage AFTER the Ottawa incidents took place. This is probably the best example of how useless the RCMP PEP stage and polygraph truly is. It detected nothing and the guy most likely had zero training about how to defeat it. It's true, you only need to be relaxed and confident to pass. And of course, make no admissions (the only way to really "fail" the RCMP PEP).
P.S.
Here is a great report about the RCMP (Regular Member) RM recruitment process. I think it's worth a read:
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/integrated-assessment-regular-member-recruitment
The most interesting piece is this "2018: Acceptance of "Significant Reactions" during the PEP". It basically means the polygraph is as useless as everyone knew it was and the only way to "fail" that step is if you make disqualifying admissions, which would disqualify you before the PEP ever happened or shortly thereafter if disclosed later. In other words, it's literally impossible to fail the PEP from the machine results or the polygraph operator's opinion alone. It's not like in the movies at all. I have personally done polygraphs several times with different examiners and I know it can be completely different depending on who does it. Or wait..."2019: Pilot to implement Eye Detect technology as a way to supplement the PEP"; maybe it really is like in Blade Runner and The Recruit! If you want to become an Intelligence Analyst, all of those positions are now civilian and don't even require a polygraph for the Top Secret RCMP clearance.
Appendix A – Major changes to RM recruitment
Changes to the organizational and program structure:
2004: Establishment of the lateral entry program
2006: Establishment of the NRP as a policy centre
2012: Establishment of the NRPC in Regina
2013: Establishment of the Experienced Police Officer Program
2014: Establishment of the Final Application Status Tracking (FAST) team
2014: Establishment of appeals process
2015: Establishment of the Aboriginal Applicant Mentorship Program
2016: Opportunity for applicants from E, K, F and D Divisions to select their home province for their first posting
2016: Decision to increase troops to 40 per year
2017: Establishment of the Business Intelligence Unit
2017: Pilot to centralize medical assessments at NHQ
2017: Transfer of the Aboriginal Applicant Mentorship Program to National Aboriginal Policing Services (in C&IP)
2018: Pilot of the Enhanced Training of Francophone Troop.
Changes to the process:
2013: Granting of conditional troop offers
2016: Electronic intake of applications and forms
2016: Implementation of Cognos
2016: Removal of conditional offers
2018: Implementation of ATS
2018: Decision to start the security clearance stage once medical has been completed
2018: Acceptance of "Significant Reactions" during the PEP
2019: Pilot to send unilingual French applicants for a 13 week intensive English language training prior to going to Depot
2019: Pilot to implement Eye Detect technology as a way to supplement the PEP
Changes to application requirements:
2013: Removal of mandatory requirement for applicants to attend a career presentation
2015: Requirement for applicants to complete hearing and vision exam before applying
2016: Acceptance of applicants who are permanent residents of Canada
Changes to the assessment tools:
2015: Requirement for applicants to pass PARE before applying
2015: Exemption of RPAT for applicants with university degrees
2016: Exemption of RPAT for applicants with a college diploma
2016: Removal of PARE requirement before applying
2016: Removal of RMSI (face-to-face interview)
2018: Establishment of the Right-Fit interview
RCMP police officer recruitment process map diagram, current in 2020 (rarely changes much):
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/wam/media/4461/initial/11270a07120b6376c5555acae6ea7be9.png
Hello, do you know if Significant Reactions are still accepted by the RCMP? Also, do you know if municipal agencies here in Canada fail you on chart point scoring alone?
Posted by RCMPPEPRemoved
- Aug 21, 2022, 03:16 AM"The day of the glorious red serge and everybody wants to be a Mountie; everybody does not want to be a police officer today or an RCMP member."
Known as Depot Division, the RCMP academy in Regina consolidated and rescheduled training this spring to deal with fewer recruits. Once a pre-employment requirement, polygraph tests are also being dropped.
"The RCMP is in for a reckoning," Michael Boudreau, a criminologist at St. Thomas University in Fredericton told CTV National News. "I think the RCMP needs to overhaul its entire organization and to rethink what it does as policing."
"They need to be out of policing provinces and out of policing municipalities," Robert Gordon, a criminologist at Simon Fraser University added.
Manitoba's justice minister told CTV News Winnipeg he is very concerned with the province's high RCMP vacancy rate, and plans to continue raising the issue with the federal government to secure more officers.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/rcmp-vacancy-rate-highest-in-manitoba-nunavut-and-b-c-1.5985300
Known as Depot Division, the RCMP academy in Regina consolidated and rescheduled training this spring to deal with fewer recruits. Once a pre-employment requirement, polygraph tests are also being dropped.
"The RCMP is in for a reckoning," Michael Boudreau, a criminologist at St. Thomas University in Fredericton told CTV National News. "I think the RCMP needs to overhaul its entire organization and to rethink what it does as policing."
"They need to be out of policing provinces and out of policing municipalities," Robert Gordon, a criminologist at Simon Fraser University added.
Manitoba's justice minister told CTV News Winnipeg he is very concerned with the province's high RCMP vacancy rate, and plans to continue raising the issue with the federal government to secure more officers.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/rcmp-vacancy-rate-highest-in-manitoba-nunavut-and-b-c-1.5985300
Posted by RCMPPolygraphRemoved
- Aug 21, 2022, 02:59 AMThe polygraph and PEP has now been removed from the RCMP recruitment process as of summer 2022.
"Regina's RCMP Academy, known as the Depot Department, has integrated and rescheduled training this spring to reduce the number of new hires. When it comes to pre-employment requirements, the polygraph test is also removed.
"We are actively adopting RCMP," RCMP spokeswoman Robin Percival told CTV National News. "Work is underway to modernize the applicant's evaluation process while maintaining rigor."
Source: https://canadiantrends.ca/rcmp-vacancy-rate-highest-in-manitoba-nunavut-and-b-c/
Polygraph PEP is not longer listed in application and selection process:
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/how-to-apply
...
Application process
Once you have successfully completed your vision and hearing exams and you have the forms confirming that you meet the minimum requirements, you are ready to apply! Please keep your completed forms until they are requested from you. In order to help you along the way, we have created the following checklist to help you understand the recruiting process and to help you keep organized.
Step One: Get the ball rolling: Submit an online application
All applicants must apply online.
You will need to create a GC jobs account to complete your online application.
The RCMP job posting for police officers is on the Government of Canada's Jobs website. To find the posting:
Search "police officer" under "Job title"
Look under the "Jobs open to the public" tab in the search results
You may be screened out of the recruitment process:
if you do not have your vision and hearing assessments and vision and hearing forms completed
as a result of the responses provided in your online application
If your application is screened out at this step, you must wait six months before re-applying.
If you have questions about the application process, you are encouraged to attend a recruiting event or to contact a recruiter before submitting your online application.
Step Two: Learn more about a career in policing: Attend a career presentation and complete the RCMP online entrance assessment
Once you have been screened into the process, you will be invited to attend a career presentation and complete the RCMP Online Entrance Assessment.
During the career presentation, you will learn more about a career in policing and you will be able to discuss any questions or concerns you may have with a proactive recruiter.
You will receive an email from a recruiter that will include the link to the RCMP Online Entrance Assessment. You will have 14 days to complete the online assessment from the date you receive the link.
Step Three: All that paperwork: Submit the required forms and documents
If the RCMP selects you to continue in the process, you will be asked to submit all forms and documents within 2 business days. Do not attempt to submit these forms and documents until they are requested from you.
Step Four: Tell us about yourself: Complete a suitability assessment and undergo a Right Fit Interview
This stage assesses whether you possess the core competencies, core values, and traits required of an RCMP police officer. This stage consists of two interviews:
the RMAQ (Regular Member Applicant Questionnaire) Interview and;
the RFI (Right Fit Interview).
The RMAQ Interview lets us know if there are actions or behaviours, from your past, that could prevent you from becoming an RCMP police officer. Following a review of your RMAQ, an interview will assess the severity, recency and repetitive nature of your actions. A heavy focus is placed on honesty. It is strongly recommended that you disclose all actions and behaviors in your RMAQ.
The RFI is an interview designed to evaluate your ability to meet standards in eight core competencies. You will be required to respond to both behavioural and situational questions using the STAR and ARC articulation methods.
Step Five: Honesty is the best policy: Complete various background checks
Your employers (previous and current) and references will be contacted as part of the background check. It will contribute to verifying your honesty.
Step Six: Make sure you are healthy: Undergo medical and psychological assessments
You will need to see RCMP-designated physicians and psychologists for a health assessment, including full medical and psychological exams. The RCMP will cover the cost of these exams. If successful at this stage, you will receive your medical clearance.
Step Seven: You're almost at the finish line: Undergo a field investigation and security assessment
The final step in the application process is a field investigation and security assessment. The RCMP will conduct a thorough investigation into your background to help assess your suitability. If successful, you will receive your security clearance.
Once you have passed all the application and assessment steps you will be contacted to attend the RCMP Cadet Training Program.
Returning applicants
If you applied to become a police officer of the RCMP in the past and would like to resume your application process, please review the process for returning applicants.
To speak with a recruiter before submitting your application, you can attend one of the many recruiting events held across the country.
Questions about your application?
Contact your local recruiting office.
"Regina's RCMP Academy, known as the Depot Department, has integrated and rescheduled training this spring to reduce the number of new hires. When it comes to pre-employment requirements, the polygraph test is also removed.
"We are actively adopting RCMP," RCMP spokeswoman Robin Percival told CTV National News. "Work is underway to modernize the applicant's evaluation process while maintaining rigor."
Source: https://canadiantrends.ca/rcmp-vacancy-rate-highest-in-manitoba-nunavut-and-b-c/
Polygraph PEP is not longer listed in application and selection process:
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/how-to-apply
...
Application process
Once you have successfully completed your vision and hearing exams and you have the forms confirming that you meet the minimum requirements, you are ready to apply! Please keep your completed forms until they are requested from you. In order to help you along the way, we have created the following checklist to help you understand the recruiting process and to help you keep organized.
Step One: Get the ball rolling: Submit an online application
All applicants must apply online.
You will need to create a GC jobs account to complete your online application.
The RCMP job posting for police officers is on the Government of Canada's Jobs website. To find the posting:
Search "police officer" under "Job title"
Look under the "Jobs open to the public" tab in the search results
You may be screened out of the recruitment process:
if you do not have your vision and hearing assessments and vision and hearing forms completed
as a result of the responses provided in your online application
If your application is screened out at this step, you must wait six months before re-applying.
If you have questions about the application process, you are encouraged to attend a recruiting event or to contact a recruiter before submitting your online application.
Step Two: Learn more about a career in policing: Attend a career presentation and complete the RCMP online entrance assessment
Once you have been screened into the process, you will be invited to attend a career presentation and complete the RCMP Online Entrance Assessment.
During the career presentation, you will learn more about a career in policing and you will be able to discuss any questions or concerns you may have with a proactive recruiter.
You will receive an email from a recruiter that will include the link to the RCMP Online Entrance Assessment. You will have 14 days to complete the online assessment from the date you receive the link.
Step Three: All that paperwork: Submit the required forms and documents
If the RCMP selects you to continue in the process, you will be asked to submit all forms and documents within 2 business days. Do not attempt to submit these forms and documents until they are requested from you.
Step Four: Tell us about yourself: Complete a suitability assessment and undergo a Right Fit Interview
This stage assesses whether you possess the core competencies, core values, and traits required of an RCMP police officer. This stage consists of two interviews:
the RMAQ (Regular Member Applicant Questionnaire) Interview and;
the RFI (Right Fit Interview).
The RMAQ Interview lets us know if there are actions or behaviours, from your past, that could prevent you from becoming an RCMP police officer. Following a review of your RMAQ, an interview will assess the severity, recency and repetitive nature of your actions. A heavy focus is placed on honesty. It is strongly recommended that you disclose all actions and behaviors in your RMAQ.
The RFI is an interview designed to evaluate your ability to meet standards in eight core competencies. You will be required to respond to both behavioural and situational questions using the STAR and ARC articulation methods.
Step Five: Honesty is the best policy: Complete various background checks
Your employers (previous and current) and references will be contacted as part of the background check. It will contribute to verifying your honesty.
Step Six: Make sure you are healthy: Undergo medical and psychological assessments
You will need to see RCMP-designated physicians and psychologists for a health assessment, including full medical and psychological exams. The RCMP will cover the cost of these exams. If successful at this stage, you will receive your medical clearance.
Step Seven: You're almost at the finish line: Undergo a field investigation and security assessment
The final step in the application process is a field investigation and security assessment. The RCMP will conduct a thorough investigation into your background to help assess your suitability. If successful, you will receive your security clearance.
Once you have passed all the application and assessment steps you will be contacted to attend the RCMP Cadet Training Program.
Returning applicants
If you applied to become a police officer of the RCMP in the past and would like to resume your application process, please review the process for returning applicants.
To speak with a recruiter before submitting your application, you can attend one of the many recruiting events held across the country.
Questions about your application?
Contact your local recruiting office.
Posted by TENET
- Aug 19, 2022, 11:18 PMMost RCMP PEP polygraphs are now done by contractors. The pre-test interview procedure (going over the RMAQ questionnaire) varies. Sometimes you are left alone with question categories under the different form sections to think about what else you might want to add and then write it down after some initial prompting; other times they go through all the questions one by one with you. I suspect they will phase out the polygraph over the next few years. Mention of it has already been removed from the "How to apply to become an RCMP officer" page at:
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/how-to-apply
The recruiter will just quote what is in the applicant PEP booklet or information sheet (which incidentally was initially developed by a US polygraph company word for word).
The machine does not and cannot show deception. The machine shows a physiological response which can be deemed a significant response by the examiner. If the examiner really doesn't like you, then he (never saw a she), might conduct a post-test interrogation essentially asking which question you think that you reacted to the most, why do you think you reacted to that question, and asking you, "when was the last time that you...", looking for any admissions. If the examiner likes you then nothing will be said and the Significant Response (SR) will simply be noted in the report. There's a reason why the PEP is done by independent contractors and it's to avoid that first scenario.
In both cases it's not possible to really "fail" the lifestyle scope polygraph step without making significant admissions (the exception being US CI (counterintelligence) scope polygraphs where you can fail by chart point scoring alone). It's just an enhanced lifestyle background interview with props and a flair for the dramatic. The report then goes to recruiting to review. Before, when they had RMs like Sergeants do it in house, that person could literally pick up the phone, call the Recruiting Corporal and influence the file, but now it's probably all contractors submitting a written report reviewed by a civilian analyst. At best it can be inconclusive solely going by the machine so you might not "pass". What would happen is that someone in recruiting would review the report (for new disclosures) and decide if it's a deferral or whether you continue on to the next step.
It used to be something like this in general:
NRPC – Suitability reviews the RMAQ.
NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder.
If the applicant is not recommended, then the application is closed.
If the applicant is recommended, then the application will move forward to TVS.
TVS will administer the PEP.
NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder and the application will move forward to NRPC - Suitability.
NRPC – Suitability reviews the PEP results.
NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder.
If the applicant is not recommended, then the application is closed.
If the applicant is recommended, then the application will move forward to DSB and divisional Health Services, concurrently.
No one can identify true "signs of deception", not the machine, not the examiner, and sometimes not even the applicant. It's a true wilderness of mirrors!
Here is an example of how accurate the RCMP pre-employment polygraph PEP examination is:
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/alleged-voyeur-mountie-is-also-a-suspended-military-police-officer
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-mountie-accused-of-sex-offences-involving-minors-pleads-not-guilty-1.5935774
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2020/07/16/suspended-richmond-rcmp-officer-charged-with-voyeurism-sexual-assault-in-ottawa/
https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/suspended-richmond-rcmp-officer-charged-with-voyeurism-sexual-assault-in-ottawa-3125160
Seangio began his training at the RCMP Depot in June 2016 and later that year was posted to the Richmond, B.C. detachment, one of the largest in the country.
Indeed, many of the charges against Seangio laid by Ottawa police predate him becoming an RCMP police officer.
Ottawa police allege the offences span from 2011 to 2018.
Seangio joined the Richmond RCMP in 2016 (this means he did the PEP within 12 months of June 2016). Yet, the suspended RCMP officer has been charged with 34 counts of voyeurism and three counts of sexual assault involving six women known to him. According to the Ottawa Police Service (OPS), the alleged offences in Ottawa occurred between 2011 and 2018 while he was living in that city.
The RCMP Member went through the PEP stage AFTER the Ottawa incidents took place. This is probably the best example of how useless the RCMP PEP stage and polygraph truly is. It detected nothing and the guy most likely had zero training about how to defeat it. It's true, you only need to be relaxed and confident to pass. And of course, make no admissions (the only way to really "fail" the RCMP PEP).
P.S.
Here is a great report about the RCMP (Regular Member) RM recruitment process. I think it's worth a read:
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/integrated-assessment-regular-member-recruitment
The most interesting piece is this "2018: Acceptance of "Significant Reactions" during the PEP". It basically means the polygraph is as useless as everyone knew it was and the only way to "fail" that step is if you make disqualifying admissions, which would disqualify you before the PEP ever happened or shortly thereafter if disclosed later. In other words, it's literally impossible to fail the PEP from the machine results or the polygraph operator's opinion alone. It's not like in the movies at all. I have personally done polygraphs several times with different examiners and I know it can be completely different depending on who does it. Or wait..."2019: Pilot to implement Eye Detect technology as a way to supplement the PEP"; maybe it really is like in Blade Runner and The Recruit! If you want to become an Intelligence Analyst, all of those positions are now civilian and don't even require a polygraph for the Top Secret RCMP clearance.
Appendix A – Major changes to RM recruitment
Changes to the organizational and program structure:
2004: Establishment of the lateral entry program
2006: Establishment of the NRP as a policy centre
2012: Establishment of the NRPC in Regina
2013: Establishment of the Experienced Police Officer Program
2014: Establishment of the Final Application Status Tracking (FAST) team
2014: Establishment of appeals process
2015: Establishment of the Aboriginal Applicant Mentorship Program
2016: Opportunity for applicants from E, K, F and D Divisions to select their home province for their first posting
2016: Decision to increase troops to 40 per year
2017: Establishment of the Business Intelligence Unit
2017: Pilot to centralize medical assessments at NHQ
2017: Transfer of the Aboriginal Applicant Mentorship Program to National Aboriginal Policing Services (in C&IP)
2018: Pilot of the Enhanced Training of Francophone Troop.
Changes to the process:
2013: Granting of conditional troop offers
2016: Electronic intake of applications and forms
2016: Implementation of Cognos
2016: Removal of conditional offers
2018: Implementation of ATS
2018: Decision to start the security clearance stage once medical has been completed
2018: Acceptance of "Significant Reactions" during the PEP
2019: Pilot to send unilingual French applicants for a 13 week intensive English language training prior to going to Depot
2019: Pilot to implement Eye Detect technology as a way to supplement the PEP
Changes to application requirements:
2013: Removal of mandatory requirement for applicants to attend a career presentation
2015: Requirement for applicants to complete hearing and vision exam before applying
2016: Acceptance of applicants who are permanent residents of Canada
Changes to the assessment tools:
2015: Requirement for applicants to pass PARE before applying
2015: Exemption of RPAT for applicants with university degrees
2016: Exemption of RPAT for applicants with a college diploma
2016: Removal of PARE requirement before applying
2016: Removal of RMSI (face-to-face interview)
2018: Establishment of the Right-Fit interview
RCMP police officer recruitment process map diagram, current in 2020 (rarely changes much):
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/wam/media/4461/initial/11270a07120b6376c5555acae6ea7be9.png
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/how-to-apply
The recruiter will just quote what is in the applicant PEP booklet or information sheet (which incidentally was initially developed by a US polygraph company word for word).
The machine does not and cannot show deception. The machine shows a physiological response which can be deemed a significant response by the examiner. If the examiner really doesn't like you, then he (never saw a she), might conduct a post-test interrogation essentially asking which question you think that you reacted to the most, why do you think you reacted to that question, and asking you, "when was the last time that you...", looking for any admissions. If the examiner likes you then nothing will be said and the Significant Response (SR) will simply be noted in the report. There's a reason why the PEP is done by independent contractors and it's to avoid that first scenario.
In both cases it's not possible to really "fail" the lifestyle scope polygraph step without making significant admissions (the exception being US CI (counterintelligence) scope polygraphs where you can fail by chart point scoring alone). It's just an enhanced lifestyle background interview with props and a flair for the dramatic. The report then goes to recruiting to review. Before, when they had RMs like Sergeants do it in house, that person could literally pick up the phone, call the Recruiting Corporal and influence the file, but now it's probably all contractors submitting a written report reviewed by a civilian analyst. At best it can be inconclusive solely going by the machine so you might not "pass". What would happen is that someone in recruiting would review the report (for new disclosures) and decide if it's a deferral or whether you continue on to the next step.
It used to be something like this in general:
NRPC – Suitability reviews the RMAQ.
NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder.
If the applicant is not recommended, then the application is closed.
If the applicant is recommended, then the application will move forward to TVS.
TVS will administer the PEP.
NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder and the application will move forward to NRPC - Suitability.
NRPC – Suitability reviews the PEP results.
NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder.
If the applicant is not recommended, then the application is closed.
If the applicant is recommended, then the application will move forward to DSB and divisional Health Services, concurrently.
No one can identify true "signs of deception", not the machine, not the examiner, and sometimes not even the applicant. It's a true wilderness of mirrors!
Here is an example of how accurate the RCMP pre-employment polygraph PEP examination is:
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/alleged-voyeur-mountie-is-also-a-suspended-military-police-officer
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-mountie-accused-of-sex-offences-involving-minors-pleads-not-guilty-1.5935774
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2020/07/16/suspended-richmond-rcmp-officer-charged-with-voyeurism-sexual-assault-in-ottawa/
https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/suspended-richmond-rcmp-officer-charged-with-voyeurism-sexual-assault-in-ottawa-3125160
Seangio began his training at the RCMP Depot in June 2016 and later that year was posted to the Richmond, B.C. detachment, one of the largest in the country.
Indeed, many of the charges against Seangio laid by Ottawa police predate him becoming an RCMP police officer.
Ottawa police allege the offences span from 2011 to 2018.
Seangio joined the Richmond RCMP in 2016 (this means he did the PEP within 12 months of June 2016). Yet, the suspended RCMP officer has been charged with 34 counts of voyeurism and three counts of sexual assault involving six women known to him. According to the Ottawa Police Service (OPS), the alleged offences in Ottawa occurred between 2011 and 2018 while he was living in that city.
The RCMP Member went through the PEP stage AFTER the Ottawa incidents took place. This is probably the best example of how useless the RCMP PEP stage and polygraph truly is. It detected nothing and the guy most likely had zero training about how to defeat it. It's true, you only need to be relaxed and confident to pass. And of course, make no admissions (the only way to really "fail" the RCMP PEP).
P.S.
Here is a great report about the RCMP (Regular Member) RM recruitment process. I think it's worth a read:
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/integrated-assessment-regular-member-recruitment
The most interesting piece is this "2018: Acceptance of "Significant Reactions" during the PEP". It basically means the polygraph is as useless as everyone knew it was and the only way to "fail" that step is if you make disqualifying admissions, which would disqualify you before the PEP ever happened or shortly thereafter if disclosed later. In other words, it's literally impossible to fail the PEP from the machine results or the polygraph operator's opinion alone. It's not like in the movies at all. I have personally done polygraphs several times with different examiners and I know it can be completely different depending on who does it. Or wait..."2019: Pilot to implement Eye Detect technology as a way to supplement the PEP"; maybe it really is like in Blade Runner and The Recruit! If you want to become an Intelligence Analyst, all of those positions are now civilian and don't even require a polygraph for the Top Secret RCMP clearance.
Appendix A – Major changes to RM recruitment
Changes to the organizational and program structure:
2004: Establishment of the lateral entry program
2006: Establishment of the NRP as a policy centre
2012: Establishment of the NRPC in Regina
2013: Establishment of the Experienced Police Officer Program
2014: Establishment of the Final Application Status Tracking (FAST) team
2014: Establishment of appeals process
2015: Establishment of the Aboriginal Applicant Mentorship Program
2016: Opportunity for applicants from E, K, F and D Divisions to select their home province for their first posting
2016: Decision to increase troops to 40 per year
2017: Establishment of the Business Intelligence Unit
2017: Pilot to centralize medical assessments at NHQ
2017: Transfer of the Aboriginal Applicant Mentorship Program to National Aboriginal Policing Services (in C&IP)
2018: Pilot of the Enhanced Training of Francophone Troop.
Changes to the process:
2013: Granting of conditional troop offers
2016: Electronic intake of applications and forms
2016: Implementation of Cognos
2016: Removal of conditional offers
2018: Implementation of ATS
2018: Decision to start the security clearance stage once medical has been completed
2018: Acceptance of "Significant Reactions" during the PEP
2019: Pilot to send unilingual French applicants for a 13 week intensive English language training prior to going to Depot
2019: Pilot to implement Eye Detect technology as a way to supplement the PEP
Changes to application requirements:
2013: Removal of mandatory requirement for applicants to attend a career presentation
2015: Requirement for applicants to complete hearing and vision exam before applying
2016: Acceptance of applicants who are permanent residents of Canada
Changes to the assessment tools:
2015: Requirement for applicants to pass PARE before applying
2015: Exemption of RPAT for applicants with university degrees
2016: Exemption of RPAT for applicants with a college diploma
2016: Removal of PARE requirement before applying
2016: Removal of RMSI (face-to-face interview)
2018: Establishment of the Right-Fit interview
RCMP police officer recruitment process map diagram, current in 2020 (rarely changes much):
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/wam/media/4461/initial/11270a07120b6376c5555acae6ea7be9.png
Posted by AM
- Apr 16, 2019, 09:37 PMIf you fail a rcmp polygraph and receive a 4 year ban? Reasoning would be why?
Also can it affect you in family court ?
Also can it affect you in family court ?
Posted by WonderWomen
- Apr 05, 2018, 01:22 AMRCMP Pre-Employment Polygraph (PEP) Details
Training Program: Canadian Police College Polygraph School or an Accredited Polygraph Association.
Examiner Certification: Canadian Association of Police Polygraphists' (CAPP) membership.
Technique Used and Format: Reverse Control Interviewing Technique as taught during the Polygraph Examiners Course at the Canadian Police College since 1997. It is a special investigative interviewing technique designed to ferret out previously undisclosed information. The Pre-Employment polygraph test utilizes the Directed Lie Screening Test format.
Policy: All Regular Member applicants are polygraph tested in accordance with the RCMP protocol and procedures outlined in the Truth Verification Section (TVS) Standard Operating Guidelines (SOGs), PEP Manual and Directed Lie Screening Test (DLST) Examiner Guidelines.
PEP Quality Assurance Review Checklist
Introduction: Examiners must follow the structured RCMP PEP pre-examination.
Consent Forms: Examiners must present/explain all PEP consent forms during the appropriate stages of the pre-examination.
Background: General questions.
Explanation of Instrument: All examiners should present the Chocolate Crumb Analogy (as outlined in the SOGs) prior to developing the questions in the Examiner's Question Booklet.
Development of Applicant Examiner Question Booklet: All examiners must properly develop the questions in the applicant's question booklet utilizing the Reverse Control Technique.
Question Review/Test Procedure: Thoroughly review all relevant questions as outlined in the RCMP PEP manual. Present directed lie control questions as outlined in the RCMP PEP manual. Follow review order as outlined in the RCMP PEP manual. Relevant question formulation/wording for Subtest A, B, and C must follow the guidelines as set out in the RCMP PEP manual.
Double Verification Test (DVT) (Demonstration Test): Conduct the directed lie acquaintance / demonstration test using numbers on paper as outlined in the RCMP PEP manual.
In-Test Procedure: Includes total time spent conducting the PEP examination.
Scoring: Utilize the Empirical Scoring System (ESS) scoring system as outlined in the Directed Lie Screening Test – Examiner Guide 2012-07-05. All examiners must follow the structured Directed Lie Screening Test (DLST) format as outlined in the RCMP PEP manual.
Post Examination Interview: Post examination interviews should be non-accusatory/non-confrontational. Post examination interviews should serve as a means of flushing out deliberately concealed information.
Polygraph Report: Examiners must complete an accurate, detailed polygraph report written in narrative format.
Contractor Procedure:
At time of interview, the [polygraph contractor] shall:
Determine the suitability of the applicant to undergo a polygraph examination. Medical questions to be provided by the RCMP;
Perform a pre-test interview with the applicant. These interviews will include a specific range of pre-established and approved questions and utilize the 'reverse control technique';
Administer the polygraph examination;
Evaluate the results of the examination and perform a post-test interview if the results are considered uncertain and require clarification; and
Complete a report on the results of the pre-test and post-test results immediately and thereafter submit to the RCMP Project Authority. Report template to be provided by the RCMP.
Follow and consistently meet existing RCMP Standard Operating Guidelines for Pre-Employment Polygraph testing - copy to be provided by RCMP Project Authority upon issuance of standing offer. Regular Quality Assurance Reviews will be conducted to verify that work output meets the existing RCMP Standard Operating Guidelines for Pre-Employment Polygraph testing.
Conduct the Pre-Employment polygraph test using the 'Reverse Control Technique' and utilize the Directed Lie Screening Test format. Must consistently meet the Standard Operating guideline threshold for Pre-Employment Polygraph Testing as determined through regular Quality Assurance Reviews conducted by the Project authority or his designate.
................................................................................
Can any experts comment on the Reverse Control Technique?
Can any experts also comment on the structured Directed Lie Screening Test (DLST) format for the PEP?
Training Program: Canadian Police College Polygraph School or an Accredited Polygraph Association.
Examiner Certification: Canadian Association of Police Polygraphists' (CAPP) membership.
Technique Used and Format: Reverse Control Interviewing Technique as taught during the Polygraph Examiners Course at the Canadian Police College since 1997. It is a special investigative interviewing technique designed to ferret out previously undisclosed information. The Pre-Employment polygraph test utilizes the Directed Lie Screening Test format.
Policy: All Regular Member applicants are polygraph tested in accordance with the RCMP protocol and procedures outlined in the Truth Verification Section (TVS) Standard Operating Guidelines (SOGs), PEP Manual and Directed Lie Screening Test (DLST) Examiner Guidelines.
PEP Quality Assurance Review Checklist
Introduction: Examiners must follow the structured RCMP PEP pre-examination.
Consent Forms: Examiners must present/explain all PEP consent forms during the appropriate stages of the pre-examination.
Background: General questions.
Explanation of Instrument: All examiners should present the Chocolate Crumb Analogy (as outlined in the SOGs) prior to developing the questions in the Examiner's Question Booklet.
Development of Applicant Examiner Question Booklet: All examiners must properly develop the questions in the applicant's question booklet utilizing the Reverse Control Technique.
Question Review/Test Procedure: Thoroughly review all relevant questions as outlined in the RCMP PEP manual. Present directed lie control questions as outlined in the RCMP PEP manual. Follow review order as outlined in the RCMP PEP manual. Relevant question formulation/wording for Subtest A, B, and C must follow the guidelines as set out in the RCMP PEP manual.
Double Verification Test (DVT) (Demonstration Test): Conduct the directed lie acquaintance / demonstration test using numbers on paper as outlined in the RCMP PEP manual.
In-Test Procedure: Includes total time spent conducting the PEP examination.
Scoring: Utilize the Empirical Scoring System (ESS) scoring system as outlined in the Directed Lie Screening Test – Examiner Guide 2012-07-05. All examiners must follow the structured Directed Lie Screening Test (DLST) format as outlined in the RCMP PEP manual.
Post Examination Interview: Post examination interviews should be non-accusatory/non-confrontational. Post examination interviews should serve as a means of flushing out deliberately concealed information.
Polygraph Report: Examiners must complete an accurate, detailed polygraph report written in narrative format.
Contractor Procedure:
At time of interview, the [polygraph contractor] shall:
Determine the suitability of the applicant to undergo a polygraph examination. Medical questions to be provided by the RCMP;
Perform a pre-test interview with the applicant. These interviews will include a specific range of pre-established and approved questions and utilize the 'reverse control technique';
Administer the polygraph examination;
Evaluate the results of the examination and perform a post-test interview if the results are considered uncertain and require clarification; and
Complete a report on the results of the pre-test and post-test results immediately and thereafter submit to the RCMP Project Authority. Report template to be provided by the RCMP.
Follow and consistently meet existing RCMP Standard Operating Guidelines for Pre-Employment Polygraph testing - copy to be provided by RCMP Project Authority upon issuance of standing offer. Regular Quality Assurance Reviews will be conducted to verify that work output meets the existing RCMP Standard Operating Guidelines for Pre-Employment Polygraph testing.
Conduct the Pre-Employment polygraph test using the 'Reverse Control Technique' and utilize the Directed Lie Screening Test format. Must consistently meet the Standard Operating guideline threshold for Pre-Employment Polygraph Testing as determined through regular Quality Assurance Reviews conducted by the Project authority or his designate.
................................................................................
Can any experts comment on the Reverse Control Technique?
Can any experts also comment on the structured Directed Lie Screening Test (DLST) format for the PEP?
Posted by xenonman
- Jul 10, 2017, 12:30 AMQuoteQuote from: xenonman on Dec 29, 2016, 05:39 AMIn the Canadian government, does one have the choice to be polygraphed in either English or in French?
Yes, if you're applying from Quebec and only speak French, for example to CSIS at a regional office in Quebec, then they would have to offer testing in your official language of choice (French). CSIS is an offshoot of the RCMP.
La Verite,
Merci pour vos informations. Et au Quebec, la RCMP
naturellement c'est la GRC! Combien des polygraphes peuvent parler francais?
Posted by the truth
- Jul 09, 2017, 02:45 PMQuote from: xenonman on Dec 29, 2016, 05:39 AMIn the Canadian government, does one have the choice to be polygraphed in either English or in French?
Yes, if you're applying from Quebec and only speak French, for example to CSIS at a regional office in Quebec, then they would have to offer testing in your official language of choice (French). CSIS is an offshoot of the RCMP.
Posted by xenonman
- Dec 29, 2016, 05:39 AMIn the Canadian government, does one have the choice to be polygraphed in either English or in French? 
Posted by GillesBrunet
- Dec 26, 2016, 04:47 PMSomething very disturbing has happened recently.
No, it's not the endless waves of sexual assault and harassment lawsuits by hundreds of RCMP female members against the Force, it's not the sheer incompetence in many high profile investigations, and it's not even the many other lawsuits in terms of overtime, harassment, bullying and toxic work environments.
No sir, it's the polygraph. The polygraph is now the only in-person interview left in the RCMP recruitment process.
As of 2015, applicants with a minimum two-year college diploma from a recognized post-secondary institution will no longer be required to write the RCMP Entrance Exam, which is a general ability test designed to determine an applicant's potential aptitude for police work. University graduates have not had to write this test since June 2015.
Permanent residents of Canada are now eligible to apply (non-citizens can now get the initial Top Secret clearances after a brief background check).
Effective May 1, 2016, the following changes have been made to the process:
• The organizational competencies previously assessed in the Regular Member Selection Interview (RMSI) will now be assessed at other interview and evaluation steps of the application process, and at the RCMP Training Academy in Regina. (Other interview and evaluation steps means the polygraph since there is no other interview in the process).
• The Physical Abilities Requirement Evaluation (PARE) will now only be assessed at the RCMP Training Academy in Regina.
Summary: You no longer have to be a Canadian Citizen to get Top Secret clearance (bet the US will not like that), No more written entrance competency exams for anyone who went to two year colleges, No more physical fitness test during recruiting, and no more job interview at all. The ONLY interview in the whole process will now be the Polygraph. That's right, the POLYGRAPH is now the only interview that still exists in the whole RCMP recruitment process, and the only one that determines the outcome.
During the application process, you must not:
• Cheat on any portion of the RCMP application process, including using counter-measures during the polygraph examination.
Does thinking the polygraph is a joke and not playing along count as using counter-measures during the polygraph examination? What about saying you researched the polygraph when asked about it? Visited antipolygraph.com? They might even tell you that such sites only have lies and post techniques that don't work and can easily be detected by an RCMP examiner. Education and curiosity counts as cheating and dishonesty in the logic of RCMP polygraphers? Must still be the 1960s.
Again, the polygraph is now the ONLY interview in the whole RCMP recruiting process so it 100% determines the hiring decision outcome. Since the polygraph is hard to "beat" by young naïve rural recruits with little to no education (which is most of the recruits) they kept it. On the other hand, trained intelligence operatives would easily defeat the polygraph and fool any examiner regardless of experience (because polygraph is just an intimidation mind game prop similar to the "The Fruit Machine" used by RCMP in years past to detect homosexuals). Combining the over reliance on polygraphs with allowing non-citizens to join and getting rid of pretty much all objective steps that existed before like the BDI interview and entrance exam, it will only be a matter of time before the RCMP is penetrated by Russian/Chinese moles and deep cover foreign agents. Possibly even terrorist sympathizers who don't even need to be citizens.
Old KGB/DGI Techniques and Tips for ALWAYS Beating Polys (99% success rate):
1. Get good night's rest.
2. Know that poly doesn't work and examiner cannot read your mind. They know far less than they try to suggest they do. Play their biases against them, use misdirection and disinformation.
3. Relax. Breathe normally and regularly. Maintain conscious control of regular breathing and heart rate levels.
4. Deny everything from the outset, no hesitation, firm unequivocal denials.
5. Be nice and friendly to examiner.
6. Use positive visualization relaxation techniques to every question asked. Relax and give off neutral physiological responses to all issues. Worst outcome would be an inconclusive result which given the context would be the same as a "pass".
7. Do not try to outwardly do anything that would give off any obvious odd responses or strong unusual reactions to anything during the test. Don't do things like hold your breath, breathe too fast, or try to produce any increased reactions to any "control" questions or during breaks. Do not attempt to try to identify question types or polygraph techniques, it will only lead to confusion and it does not change how you should behave during the whole procedure. Just maintain the same baselines level of emotion and minimal reactions from beginning to end. Treat all questions as the same. This requires mental discipline and mental visualization techniques. View the questions as abstract and impersonal robotically answering, while you are away in your place of calm mentally by visualizing a favourite vacation spot or pleasant memory.
8. Never let you guard down and always stick to your baseline story no matter what. Respond to any accusations with surprise and firm denials, they are just ploys. If the examiner keeps insisting on a specific issue or reaction, if there is a specific reaction come up with an alternative unrelated explanation for what you were thinking or memory flashback that could have caused the reaction. If there was no significant physiological reaction showed to you, then flat out deny the allegation while showing annoyance. If the examiner claims there was a reaction or asks you why you reacted without actually showing you the detailed charts, then it was a bluff and fishing expedition, firmly deny everything without any further explanation needed. Alternative explanations are only required when confronted with specific quantitative data or evidence, not just questioning with no prior specific data shown to you. The rest is just a fishing expedition with no real basis.
9. The only way to fail is if you make admissions and give any confessions (regardless of the ground truth). Poly only works through techniques of intimidation, interrogation trickery, admissions, and gradual confessions.
Canadian Agencies who do polygraphs as part of regular pre-employment screening:
Almost all municipal police services outside of Ontario (Ontario banned polygraphs)
RCMP
CSIS
CSE
Note: Department of National Defence does not normally use polygraphs for security screening of employees.
References:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/qualifications-and-requirements
"The Fruit Machine"
https://canadianhistorycomesout.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/1962-the-fruit-machine/
http://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/rcmp-uses-fruit-machine-to-detect-gays
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/06/when-the-canadian-government-used-gay-detectors-to-try-to-get-rid-of-homosexual-government-employees/
http://knowledgenuts.com/2013/08/13/the-mounties-used-a-fruit-machine-to-target-homosexuals/
https://www.damninteresting.com/the-gay-detecting-fruit-machine/
Did You Know?
• The "fruit machine" resembled a dentist's chair, with a small camera on a pulley aimed at the subject's pupils. The suspected gay person was shown various photos, some of which had images that would ostensibly excite a homosexual. If their pupils dilated when looking at certain images, it was seen as an indicator of their homosexuality.
• The RCMP targeted hundreds of suspected gays throughout the 1950s and '60s, but one of the best known was John Wendell Holmes. He was a respected Canadian diplomat whose work was admired by many, including Prime Minister John Diefenbaker. After being grilled by the RCMP, however, Holmes admitted to his homosexuality and was quietly removed from public service in 1960. He went on to become a successful academic.
• The Fruit Machine was not a stand alone test, but many of the other methods used were just as ridiculous. For instance, another test run by the RCMP included monitoring subjects' physiological responses to specific words such asqueer, gay, drag and even bar.
No, it's not the endless waves of sexual assault and harassment lawsuits by hundreds of RCMP female members against the Force, it's not the sheer incompetence in many high profile investigations, and it's not even the many other lawsuits in terms of overtime, harassment, bullying and toxic work environments.
No sir, it's the polygraph. The polygraph is now the only in-person interview left in the RCMP recruitment process.
As of 2015, applicants with a minimum two-year college diploma from a recognized post-secondary institution will no longer be required to write the RCMP Entrance Exam, which is a general ability test designed to determine an applicant's potential aptitude for police work. University graduates have not had to write this test since June 2015.
Permanent residents of Canada are now eligible to apply (non-citizens can now get the initial Top Secret clearances after a brief background check).
Effective May 1, 2016, the following changes have been made to the process:
• The organizational competencies previously assessed in the Regular Member Selection Interview (RMSI) will now be assessed at other interview and evaluation steps of the application process, and at the RCMP Training Academy in Regina. (Other interview and evaluation steps means the polygraph since there is no other interview in the process).
• The Physical Abilities Requirement Evaluation (PARE) will now only be assessed at the RCMP Training Academy in Regina.
Summary: You no longer have to be a Canadian Citizen to get Top Secret clearance (bet the US will not like that), No more written entrance competency exams for anyone who went to two year colleges, No more physical fitness test during recruiting, and no more job interview at all. The ONLY interview in the whole process will now be the Polygraph. That's right, the POLYGRAPH is now the only interview that still exists in the whole RCMP recruitment process, and the only one that determines the outcome.
During the application process, you must not:
• Cheat on any portion of the RCMP application process, including using counter-measures during the polygraph examination.
Does thinking the polygraph is a joke and not playing along count as using counter-measures during the polygraph examination? What about saying you researched the polygraph when asked about it? Visited antipolygraph.com? They might even tell you that such sites only have lies and post techniques that don't work and can easily be detected by an RCMP examiner. Education and curiosity counts as cheating and dishonesty in the logic of RCMP polygraphers? Must still be the 1960s.
Again, the polygraph is now the ONLY interview in the whole RCMP recruiting process so it 100% determines the hiring decision outcome. Since the polygraph is hard to "beat" by young naïve rural recruits with little to no education (which is most of the recruits) they kept it. On the other hand, trained intelligence operatives would easily defeat the polygraph and fool any examiner regardless of experience (because polygraph is just an intimidation mind game prop similar to the "The Fruit Machine" used by RCMP in years past to detect homosexuals). Combining the over reliance on polygraphs with allowing non-citizens to join and getting rid of pretty much all objective steps that existed before like the BDI interview and entrance exam, it will only be a matter of time before the RCMP is penetrated by Russian/Chinese moles and deep cover foreign agents. Possibly even terrorist sympathizers who don't even need to be citizens.
Old KGB/DGI Techniques and Tips for ALWAYS Beating Polys (99% success rate):
1. Get good night's rest.
2. Know that poly doesn't work and examiner cannot read your mind. They know far less than they try to suggest they do. Play their biases against them, use misdirection and disinformation.
3. Relax. Breathe normally and regularly. Maintain conscious control of regular breathing and heart rate levels.
4. Deny everything from the outset, no hesitation, firm unequivocal denials.
5. Be nice and friendly to examiner.
6. Use positive visualization relaxation techniques to every question asked. Relax and give off neutral physiological responses to all issues. Worst outcome would be an inconclusive result which given the context would be the same as a "pass".
7. Do not try to outwardly do anything that would give off any obvious odd responses or strong unusual reactions to anything during the test. Don't do things like hold your breath, breathe too fast, or try to produce any increased reactions to any "control" questions or during breaks. Do not attempt to try to identify question types or polygraph techniques, it will only lead to confusion and it does not change how you should behave during the whole procedure. Just maintain the same baselines level of emotion and minimal reactions from beginning to end. Treat all questions as the same. This requires mental discipline and mental visualization techniques. View the questions as abstract and impersonal robotically answering, while you are away in your place of calm mentally by visualizing a favourite vacation spot or pleasant memory.
8. Never let you guard down and always stick to your baseline story no matter what. Respond to any accusations with surprise and firm denials, they are just ploys. If the examiner keeps insisting on a specific issue or reaction, if there is a specific reaction come up with an alternative unrelated explanation for what you were thinking or memory flashback that could have caused the reaction. If there was no significant physiological reaction showed to you, then flat out deny the allegation while showing annoyance. If the examiner claims there was a reaction or asks you why you reacted without actually showing you the detailed charts, then it was a bluff and fishing expedition, firmly deny everything without any further explanation needed. Alternative explanations are only required when confronted with specific quantitative data or evidence, not just questioning with no prior specific data shown to you. The rest is just a fishing expedition with no real basis.
9. The only way to fail is if you make admissions and give any confessions (regardless of the ground truth). Poly only works through techniques of intimidation, interrogation trickery, admissions, and gradual confessions.
Canadian Agencies who do polygraphs as part of regular pre-employment screening:
Almost all municipal police services outside of Ontario (Ontario banned polygraphs)
RCMP
CSIS
CSE
Note: Department of National Defence does not normally use polygraphs for security screening of employees.
References:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/qualifications-and-requirements
"The Fruit Machine"
https://canadianhistorycomesout.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/1962-the-fruit-machine/
http://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/rcmp-uses-fruit-machine-to-detect-gays
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/06/when-the-canadian-government-used-gay-detectors-to-try-to-get-rid-of-homosexual-government-employees/
http://knowledgenuts.com/2013/08/13/the-mounties-used-a-fruit-machine-to-target-homosexuals/
https://www.damninteresting.com/the-gay-detecting-fruit-machine/
Did You Know?
• The "fruit machine" resembled a dentist's chair, with a small camera on a pulley aimed at the subject's pupils. The suspected gay person was shown various photos, some of which had images that would ostensibly excite a homosexual. If their pupils dilated when looking at certain images, it was seen as an indicator of their homosexuality.
• The RCMP targeted hundreds of suspected gays throughout the 1950s and '60s, but one of the best known was John Wendell Holmes. He was a respected Canadian diplomat whose work was admired by many, including Prime Minister John Diefenbaker. After being grilled by the RCMP, however, Holmes admitted to his homosexuality and was quietly removed from public service in 1960. He went on to become a successful academic.
• The Fruit Machine was not a stand alone test, but many of the other methods used were just as ridiculous. For instance, another test run by the RCMP included monitoring subjects' physiological responses to specific words such asqueer, gay, drag and even bar.
Posted by xenonman
- Jun 28, 2016, 04:49 AMQuoteIf you've ever wondered what truly goes on in the inner sanctum of the RCMP polygraphist...Sex in the polygraph suite...not exactly my idea of romance!
Posted by Ex Member
- May 31, 2016, 11:42 PMSacrebleu!
Posted by xenonman
- May 30, 2016, 11:58 PMQuoteHere is some information pertaining to how RCMP pre-employment polygraph exams are conducted:
For jobs with the RCMP, does an applicant have the right to have an employment polygraph examination administered "en francais" by a French-speaking examiner? :-/
Posted by polygraph
- Apr 20, 2016, 11:01 PMQuote from: GMAN70 on Mar 17, 2015, 01:11 PMHi all,
I did my PEP a week and like anyone I am very anxious. I was as honest and upfront as could be and revealed things to him that only I know, but I'm still nervous. Quick note, after my polygraph the examiner came back in the room and said the Poly charts went off track for a little bit and he asked me to review the cards and see if there was anything else I had to declare/confess. I read each card through and did see one thing I had failed to mention. So, my question is, Is it normal for them to ask you to make one final confession after the poly? Are they just tricking me into confessing something I may have been hiding? I'm so afraid that I failed it. Oh my nerves!
GMAN from NL
This is a super late reply but some things don't really change.
Depending on the agency and examiner, yes it was probably standard procedure and a classic trick. They may ask you if there was anything else that you wanted to add at the end, especially after making you wait for a bit in uncertainty. They may also be more aggressive at the end and ask leading question such as "So tell me, when was the last time that you...?". It's just a mind game and unprofessional. They probably assumed you were holding back and lying about something, that's usually their basic assumption. Deny everything and they'll give up shortly when there's nothing to grasp at.