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Posted by George W. Maschke
- Aug 25, 2018, 06:48 AMSee also KC1's follow-up post:
https://antipolygraph.org/forum/index.php?topic=5137.msg38157#msg38157
https://antipolygraph.org/forum/index.php?topic=5137.msg38157#msg38157
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Aug 25, 2018, 06:33 AMSee also KC1's 2013 post about how the CIA polygraph division characterized his admission to having tried to hack the hackers' group, Anonymous:
https://antipolygraph.org/forum/index.php?topic=5137.msg37927#msg37927
https://antipolygraph.org/forum/index.php?topic=5137.msg37927#msg37927
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Aug 25, 2018, 06:17 AMQuoteAm I over paranoid?
No.
QuoteI mean how can being on the side of the law be an issue?
As I understand it, you have admitted to seeking out and accessing child pornography at a time when you were not working in any official capacity.
QuoteAgain, this group was non-governmental and non-official. It was simply forensics geeks trying to assist in the closure of illegal websites on the .onion network. We had a professor at my university do the same thing and the FBI loves him, so should I not even fret?
I think you should be very concerned. Any admission to having sought out and/or accessed child pornography will be perceived as a trophy confession by any NSA polygraph operator. The next step may very well be a referral to local law enforcement, a raid on your home and workplace, and the seizure of all of your computers and storage devices.
See, for example, the NSA polygraph statement of "Frustrated":
https://antipolygraph.org/statements/statement-019.shtml
Although the events described in this statement transpired 16 years ago, NSA polygraph practices have not changed in any substantive way since then.
AntiPolygraph.org's current advice, which will be reflected in the forthcoming edition of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector, is to not submit to any pre-employment polygraph "test" with any federal agency and to seek employment elsewhere. For the past 15 years, I have provided such advice with respect to the FBI, but similar considerations now apply to all federal agencies.
Federal pre-employment polygraph rates range between 50 and 70 percent, and polygraph results are routinely shared among federal agencies. Retired CIA polygrapher John F. Sullivan opines that "an honest subject has no better chance than a dishonest subject of getting through the process."
Stating what you have stated here to any federal polygraph operator would only invite trouble and could result in your being criminally investigated and blacklisted from employment across the federal government.
Posted by Private10192
- Aug 25, 2018, 01:37 AMHello,
Soon I hope to apply for an intelligence agency position which will result in taking a polygraph. I have been passionate about cyber security and law ever since I was in middle school. I have taken numerous certification exams, high level courses, and extra curricular activities and training programs.
Through all this, I took up a keen interest in cyber forensics. Through this, I joined a security forum to which led me to find a group of like minded people. This group worked on non-official forensics investigations.
Most of this entailed browsing the "dark web" and reporting / seizing sites that contained illegal material such a terrorism networks, drugs, and child exploitation material. The sites would either be seized and taken down or reported to the FBI with as much relevant information as possible. I did this for almost two years. This being said, in the process of assisting in the finding and reporting of these networks I have seen these things. I have seen terrorist recruitment sites, I have seen explicit child imagery, I have seen drug trade networks.
I am afraid on my polygraph they will ask, "Have you ever view or intentionally viewed child pornography" because the answer is somewhat yes since thats part of the illegal site categories we worked to take down and report. I am also afraid they will ask if I have ever been around a foriegn / terrorist organization because the answer is yes, but obviously not for the reasons they may be thinking.
I have absolutely nothing to hide as I have never committed any type of crime or illegal activity, however, I worry that this will be blown out of proportion, I wont get a chance to explain, and I will be charged with child porn and terrorism despite that not being true in any sense at all.
No. These images were not downloaded, saved, shared, or sought after.
No. These networks were not engaged with, spread, or logged.
We took careful precautions to make sure none of this would be an issue.
Am I over paranoid? I mean how can being on the side of the law be an issue?
Again, this group was non-governmental and non-official. It was simply forensics geeks trying to assist in the closure of illegal websites on the .onion network. We had a professor at my university do the same thing and the FBI loves him, so should I not even fret?
Soon I hope to apply for an intelligence agency position which will result in taking a polygraph. I have been passionate about cyber security and law ever since I was in middle school. I have taken numerous certification exams, high level courses, and extra curricular activities and training programs.
Through all this, I took up a keen interest in cyber forensics. Through this, I joined a security forum to which led me to find a group of like minded people. This group worked on non-official forensics investigations.
Most of this entailed browsing the "dark web" and reporting / seizing sites that contained illegal material such a terrorism networks, drugs, and child exploitation material. The sites would either be seized and taken down or reported to the FBI with as much relevant information as possible. I did this for almost two years. This being said, in the process of assisting in the finding and reporting of these networks I have seen these things. I have seen terrorist recruitment sites, I have seen explicit child imagery, I have seen drug trade networks.
I am afraid on my polygraph they will ask, "Have you ever view or intentionally viewed child pornography" because the answer is somewhat yes since thats part of the illegal site categories we worked to take down and report. I am also afraid they will ask if I have ever been around a foriegn / terrorist organization because the answer is yes, but obviously not for the reasons they may be thinking.
I have absolutely nothing to hide as I have never committed any type of crime or illegal activity, however, I worry that this will be blown out of proportion, I wont get a chance to explain, and I will be charged with child porn and terrorism despite that not being true in any sense at all.
No. These images were not downloaded, saved, shared, or sought after.
No. These networks were not engaged with, spread, or logged.
We took careful precautions to make sure none of this would be an issue.
Am I over paranoid? I mean how can being on the side of the law be an issue?
Again, this group was non-governmental and non-official. It was simply forensics geeks trying to assist in the closure of illegal websites on the .onion network. We had a professor at my university do the same thing and the FBI loves him, so should I not even fret?