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Posted by xenonman
- Feb 02, 2017, 08:31 AMQuote from: Wandersmann on Feb 01, 2017, 11:41 PMQuote from: pailryder on Feb 01, 2017, 08:53 AMOn more than one occasion I was contacted after several years and thanked by couples who felt fidelity testing improved or saved their marriages.
I wonder how many real cheaters were falsely cleared by a false negative and used their spouse's misplaced trust in this garbage science to go on cheating with absolute impunity ?
Since the most "skilled" adulterers tend to have marked sociopathic tendencies, this is indeed very likely. It is those with these same sociopathic personalities that are most likely to "pass" any polygraph interrogation.
Posted by Wandersmann
- Feb 01, 2017, 11:41 PMQuote from: pailryder on Feb 01, 2017, 08:53 AMOn more than one occasion I was contacted after several years and thanked by couples who felt fidelity testing improved or saved their marriages.
I wonder how many real cheaters were falsely cleared by a false negative and used their spouse's misplaced trust in this garbage science to go on cheating with absolute impunity ?
Posted by Aunty Agony
- Feb 01, 2017, 05:08 PMQuote from: pailryder on Feb 01, 2017, 08:53 AMOn more than one occasion I was contacted after several years and thanked by couples who felt fidelity testing improved or saved their marriages.I am not at all surprised to hear this.
Since the polygraph gives a random result, of course some subjects are going to be deemed truthful. Assuming that some subjects of polygraph fidelity testing are in fact faithful and truthful, while others are adulterers hoping to skate by, this yields four cases: Tt, truthful tested truthful; Tf, truthful tested false; Ft, false tested truthful; and Ff, false tested false. The value of the testing can be demonstrated ONLY by the lack of Tf and Ft cases.
Testimonials from couples who felt fidelity testing improved or saved their marriages demonstrates only the existence of a non-zero population in case Tt. Unfortunately the world is full of innumerate people who don't understand, and gullible people who don't care, what any of this means.
I would be surprised to hear that every person who claimed that fidelity testing improved or saved his marriage was determined, through independent means, to have been telling the truth. In fact, I would be astonished at any independent collaborating evidence for any lie detector test at all.
Posted by Ex Member
- Feb 01, 2017, 12:09 PMQuote from: pailryder on Feb 01, 2017, 08:53 AMOn more than one occasion I was contacted after several years and thanked by couples who felt fidelity testing improved or saved their marriages.I appreciate you sharing your experience. I'm curious to know if, contrariwise (I love that word), you have seen an infidelity polygraph open up a Pandora's box which may have otherwise remained closed.
Posted by xenonman
- Feb 01, 2017, 11:52 AMQuote from: dwpowpow on Feb 01, 2017, 11:13 AMOriginally this test was prompted by some article that talked about how a couple survived infidelity. Then it went on to state the Husband took a polygraph test. So, I was asked if I would be willing to take one at that point. My answer was yes, of course. At the time it seemed like a great idea actually as I finally felt like I would be cleared of my charges. I was naïve to the whole process and did absolutely no investigation into it.That is precisely the problem. The polygraph continues to enjoy "free passage" in all the popular media (magazines, TV true crime, true crime paperbacks, etc.) , thus very effectively propagating the image of its infallibility as the final arbiter of truth and deception!
Posted by dc585
- Feb 01, 2017, 11:13 AMOriginally this test was prompted by some article that talked about how a couple survived infidelity. Then it went on to state the Husband took a polygraph test. So, I was asked if I would be willing to take one at that point. My answer was yes, of course. At the time it seemed like a great idea actually as I finally felt like I would be cleared of my charges. I was naïve to the whole process and did absolutely no investigation into it.
Posted by pailryder
- Feb 01, 2017, 08:53 AMOn more than one occasion I was contacted after several years and thanked by couples who felt fidelity testing improved or saved their marriages.
Posted by xenonman
- Jan 31, 2017, 11:03 PMQuote from: the_fighting_irish on Jan 31, 2017, 10:03 PMWhy do people do infidelity tests? Ugh....
They cause more damage than they do good, unless done under the management of a therapist, and used for the purposes thereof.
Frankly, the money is better spent on a therapist, or a lawyer.
No one, NO ONE, comes away from an infidelity test a winner.
Both parties ALWAYS walk away more hurt than when they walk in, and nothing gets solved.
I'm thinking that one reason for this, in addition to the mythology about the "amazing" infallibility of the polygraph so deeply instilled in our popular culture, is the sad fact that the male partner may be afraid (not without reason) of the financial consequences of a divorce.
Hence, the man will resort to anything to "prove" his renewed fidelity.
Posted by Joe McCarthy
- Jan 31, 2017, 10:03 PMWhy do people do infidelity tests? Ugh....
They cause more damage than they do good, unless done under the management of a therapist, and used for the purposes thereof.
Frankly, the money is better spent on a therapist, or a lawyer.
No one, NO ONE, comes away from an infidelity test a winner.
Both parties ALWAYS walk away more hurt than when they walk in, and nothing gets solved.
They cause more damage than they do good, unless done under the management of a therapist, and used for the purposes thereof.
Frankly, the money is better spent on a therapist, or a lawyer.
No one, NO ONE, comes away from an infidelity test a winner.
Both parties ALWAYS walk away more hurt than when they walk in, and nothing gets solved.
Posted by xenonman
- Jan 31, 2017, 03:09 AMQuote from: dwpowpow on Jan 25, 2017, 12:33 PMyou had sexual contact with anyone other than your girlfriend since Nov 14th 2015?"
Much like oil and water, sexual relationships and polygraphy simply do not mix!
Posted by xenonman
- Jan 31, 2017, 03:02 AMQuote from: dwpowpow on Jan 25, 2017, 12:33 PMexactly what I said and stayed totally faithful to her and after a year, she did not believe me so asked me to take a polygraph test
I am always concerned about just how pervasive continues to be the mythology instilled in our popular culture about the polygraph, and its usefulness in "proving" guilt or innocence!
The situation described here is a particularly alarming manifestation of an improper application of the alchemy that is known as "polygraphy".
Posted by Wandersmann
- Jan 27, 2017, 08:20 PMQuote from: dwpowpow on Jan 27, 2017, 10:13 AMI did direct her to this forum/website and she said it is a website put up by a bunch of liars. So, I guess anyone on this forum or anyone against a polygraph test or anyone that has failed a polygraph test and states it was inaccurate is a liar according to her. Well alright then.
Time to move on...
Sorry to hear, but you're better off with someone else. If you get a last word in, you might ask your girlfriend how she would explain a friend of mine who flunked a polygraph with a federal law enforcement agency but then passed one a year later with a different agency. Both polygraph exams were life-style polygraphs and both asked the same questions. Shoots her theory to hell.
Just spread the word to everyone you know about what a complete fraud this polygraph business is.
Posted by dc585
- Jan 27, 2017, 10:13 AMI did direct her to this forum/website and she said it is a website put up by a bunch of liars. So, I guess anyone on this forum or anyone against a polygraph test or anyone that has failed a polygraph test and states it was inaccurate is a liar according to her. Well alright then.
Time to move on...
Time to move on...
Posted by Wandersmann
- Jan 27, 2017, 08:26 AMQuote from: dwpowpow on Jan 26, 2017, 02:01 PMSo, she will listen to him and not me of course. It seems to be a loosing battle and yes I was naïve as I entered the test as I guess I just assumed it was fairly accurate without doing research. At least I understand the whole process now, sorry my education on this came too late.Sorry to hear that. Have her go to the Anti-Polygraph.org website homepage and look at the most recent article. There is an attached video of the retired Marine Officer who was the pilot of Marine 1, the President's helicopter. He failed a polygraph to get into the Border Patrol and they also accused him of being unfaithful. Luckily, his wife had some brains and stood by him. Most people in the intelligence and law enforcement community know the polygraph is a joke. I am retired from this community and learned it first hand over a thirty year career.
Like I said earlier, don't worry about being dumped by your girlfriend, dump her first - she's just plain stupid. To rely on google searches and the word of the accused criminal is just plain dumb. If she reads this post - Lady, you are a moron !
Posted by dc585
- Jan 26, 2017, 02:01 PMThank you for the response and the suggestions. I have told her that after research I have found the polygraph test to be inaccurate in most cases, but she said she has googled it and it says it is very accurate and that the examiner told her he is 99% sure. So, she will listen to him and not me of course. It seems to be a loosing battle and yes I was naïve as I entered the test as I guess I just assumed it was fairly accurate without doing research. At least I understand the whole process now, sorry my education on this came too late.