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Posted by Ex Member
- Mar 05, 2014, 01:33 PMQuoteI would not take much from the "silence."There just may not be polygraphers reading this thread at all.Do you really believe that?
Posted by AusTexan
- Mar 05, 2014, 05:09 AMI would not take much from the "silence." There just may not be polygraphers reading this thread at all.
Posted by Sully
- Jan 08, 2014, 10:58 AMQuote from: AuntyAgony on Jan 08, 2014, 06:16 AMQuote from: quickfix on Jan 07, 2014, 03:17 PMNot necessary. In a few years conditions in this country will be just like those places.Quote from: 30160F0F1A630 on Jan 07, 2014, 08:59 AMI used to have such faith in law enforcement and this countrywhat a shame! Why don't you move to Iran or North Korea!
I fear you are more than correct!
Posted by Sully
- Jan 08, 2014, 10:58 AMQuote from: quickfix on Jan 07, 2014, 03:17 PMQuote from: 30160F0F1A630 on Jan 07, 2014, 08:59 AMI used to have such faith in law enforcement and this countrywhat a shame! Why don't you move to Iran or North Korea!
why don't you answer the question?
Posted by Aunty Agony
- Jan 08, 2014, 06:16 AMQuote from: quickfix on Jan 07, 2014, 03:17 PMNot necessary. In a few years conditions in this country will be just like those places.Quote from: 30160F0F1A630 on Jan 07, 2014, 08:59 AMI used to have such faith in law enforcement and this countrywhat a shame! Why don't you move to Iran or North Korea!
Posted by quickfix
- Jan 07, 2014, 03:17 PMQuote from: 30160F0F1A630 on Jan 07, 2014, 08:59 AMI used to have such faith in law enforcement and this countrywhat a shame! Why don't you move to Iran or North Korea!
Posted by Sully
- Jan 07, 2014, 08:59 AMand they won't, I'm sorry, but polygrapher examiners are not only deceptive, but bullies who ruin the lives of other human beings, and get paid to do so?
I used to have such faith in law enforcement and this country...no more, as I've seen way to much corruption to last a lifetime. Sad but true....
I used to have such faith in law enforcement and this country...no more, as I've seen way to much corruption to last a lifetime. Sad but true....
Posted by Aunty Agony
- Oct 31, 2013, 01:43 PMWell, it's been over 30 days and still no polygrapher has come forward to explain how Hotsauce85 could be found deceptive and non deceptive on the same test by different examiners.
Perhaps the explanation would reveal too many dirty secrets about the lie-detector business.
Perhaps the explanation would reveal too many dirty secrets about the lie-detector business.
Posted by Hotsauce85
- Oct 08, 2013, 09:16 AMQuote from: Arkhangelsk on Oct 04, 2013, 07:46 PMQuote from: Hotsauce85 on Sep 30, 2013, 03:53 PMHow do polygraphers explain that I can be deceptive during one test and non deceptive on another if this should be accurate?The silence is deafening.
I'm confused, if I talked about countermeasures I would have comments out the wazoo...but try to get an explanation of why I can get deceptive on one test and truthful on another when the relevant questions remain essentially the same and it's like everyone is on vacation.
Well, since this is the case I'll use common sense to come up with my own opinion.
Perhaps it's because an "experienced" polygrapher can create enough anxiety in a person and use tame enough control questions to cause a truthful person to fail.
I'm not going as far as saying the science is complete junk, but with no enforceable standards and the fact that polygraphers can manipulate the test by playing mind games means the results are not only useless, but extremely damaging to the innocent and potentially give a false sense of security to a guilty person that passes.
All of you polygraphers out there that have read this and aren't responding are cowards that need to start taking online courses to get a real job.
Posted by Ex Member
- Oct 04, 2013, 07:46 PMQuote from: Hotsauce85 on Sep 30, 2013, 03:53 PMHow do polygraphers explain that I can be deceptive during one test and non deceptive on another if this should be accurate?The silence is deafening.
Posted by Hotsauce85
- Sep 30, 2013, 03:53 PMI'll share my experience, and while I would like the thoughts of everyone, I especially would like the thoughts of actual polygraphers.
I took a sex history polygraph 8 months ago as a requirement of probation. I admitted to the polygrapher that two years prior I had read some of what was on antipolygraph.org to see what I would have to do after my case was adjudicated.
Prior to the test, he spent 30-45 minutes telling me stories of people that had failed sex history polygraphs and trying to convince me that I needed to call this off and come back another time if I wasn't 100% comfortable. I had been over my history numerous times with my therapist and had no reason not to be comfortable. The control questions that I remember being asked were "Have you researched countermeasures with the intent of using them to pass this test", "Are you using countermeasures today", and "have you ever lied to your probation officer". Well, I was completely comfortable with those question since I hadn't actually studied countermeasures and I had only seen my P.O. once and had no reason or intent to lie to him.
Well, I failed. Deception Indicated even though I didn't lie or omit anything from my sex history. I knew during any question about "sex" I could feel my heart beat and my chest tighten. I felt comfortable before that appointment, but over 30 minutes of him telling me those stories must have helped spook me.
Luckily, my PO allowed me to choose another examiner and try again a month later. This time, I didn't say anything about antipolygraph.org and got control questions about stealing things and being dishonest with my parents. The polygrapher spent about 40 minutes trying to make me anxious but he covered the control and relevant questions equally. He didn't just focus the entire time on making me anxious about the relevant questions like the first one did.
I passed.
Both polygraphers were supposedly highly regarded and had 20+ years experience.
How do polygraphers explain that I can be deceptive during one test and non deceptive on another if this should be accurate?
How do polygraphers that practice techniques like the first one sleep at night when their methods could have resulted in my probation being revoked and me going to jail and not being able to support my kids even though I wasn't deceptive?
I took a sex history polygraph 8 months ago as a requirement of probation. I admitted to the polygrapher that two years prior I had read some of what was on antipolygraph.org to see what I would have to do after my case was adjudicated.
Prior to the test, he spent 30-45 minutes telling me stories of people that had failed sex history polygraphs and trying to convince me that I needed to call this off and come back another time if I wasn't 100% comfortable. I had been over my history numerous times with my therapist and had no reason not to be comfortable. The control questions that I remember being asked were "Have you researched countermeasures with the intent of using them to pass this test", "Are you using countermeasures today", and "have you ever lied to your probation officer". Well, I was completely comfortable with those question since I hadn't actually studied countermeasures and I had only seen my P.O. once and had no reason or intent to lie to him.
Well, I failed. Deception Indicated even though I didn't lie or omit anything from my sex history. I knew during any question about "sex" I could feel my heart beat and my chest tighten. I felt comfortable before that appointment, but over 30 minutes of him telling me those stories must have helped spook me.
Luckily, my PO allowed me to choose another examiner and try again a month later. This time, I didn't say anything about antipolygraph.org and got control questions about stealing things and being dishonest with my parents. The polygrapher spent about 40 minutes trying to make me anxious but he covered the control and relevant questions equally. He didn't just focus the entire time on making me anxious about the relevant questions like the first one did.
I passed.
Both polygraphers were supposedly highly regarded and had 20+ years experience.
How do polygraphers explain that I can be deceptive during one test and non deceptive on another if this should be accurate?
How do polygraphers that practice techniques like the first one sleep at night when their methods could have resulted in my probation being revoked and me going to jail and not being able to support my kids even though I wasn't deceptive?