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Posted by BBernie
- Oct 06, 2009, 12:32 PMDon't sorry about it. I'm just concerned about the whole hiring process and how the federal government treats job applicants. When I applied to the FBI, I researched the eligibility requirements and knew that my background should not have posed a problem with me getting hired. I mistakenly thought that prior alcohol abuse and treatment as well as obtaining psychiatric help would not be grounds for denial of a Top Secret Security Clearance. In my case, I have sought out and obtained help with these issues and currently taking antidepressant medication. Since I have no criminal background or used drugs, the only reason I can think of for the FBI rescinding my conditional job offer is that they simply did not want to take the risk of hiring me because of these past problems. I know this is illegal but proving it is a different story because the FBI is hiding behind the statement that I was "not selected because of the competition" which is total BS. It is a non-answer to a question that I have a right to know. I am certain I did not flunk the polygraph or the drug test (there is no reason for me to have). Reading through these posts, it is obvious that the vetting process is really a crap shoot on how people are hired, since it appears many well-qualified individuals are looked at, but only the ones that look really good on paper or satisfy whatever the hiring authorities are really looking for, regardless of what their true potential is. I guess what I mean by all this is that the FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA and other alphabet soup organizations do just whatever they want as far as who they hire and are able to justify ANY hiring decision because they can hide behind this seemingly mysterious cloak of "national security" and "suitability" reason that is given to those that apply for employment within these agencies. It bothers me that the polygraph does not have ANY scientific credibility, yet it is a tool that these organizations seem to hide upon in order to justify whatever decision they make. I think the polygraph is just a huge smokescreen from the actual reasons that intelligence agencies and federal law enforcement organizations use to justify their hiring or firing decisions. I suspect that many of the reasons are flawed and amount to little more than "I like this person" or "I don't like this person" based on perceptions and observations or on a background that is just not considered to be good for "PR".
Posted by Fair Chance
- Oct 06, 2009, 12:08 AMDear Bbernie,
My apologies for the appearance that I was irritated with people asking questions. I should have clarified my answer that it is just flabbergasting that the Federal hiring process has experienced such disarray that this site IS one of the leading sites to try and garnish information on the hiring process. One of the very sites disdained for its information to federal applicants by polygraph operators is a leading source of information for federal job applications. Whose fault is that? Certainly not the posters who do their best to provide answers. In the valley of the blind, the one eyed man is king and in the absence and void of information regarding job refusals, this site is a leader.
Regards.
My apologies for the appearance that I was irritated with people asking questions. I should have clarified my answer that it is just flabbergasting that the Federal hiring process has experienced such disarray that this site IS one of the leading sites to try and garnish information on the hiring process. One of the very sites disdained for its information to federal applicants by polygraph operators is a leading source of information for federal job applications. Whose fault is that? Certainly not the posters who do their best to provide answers. In the valley of the blind, the one eyed man is king and in the absence and void of information regarding job refusals, this site is a leader.
Regards.
Posted by BBernie
- Oct 05, 2009, 08:32 PMQuote from: Fair_Chance on Aug 03, 2009, 08:15 PMGeorge,
The poster stated that after two weeks and over 100 views, that he received no replies. Aside that he posted in the proper forum, I find it continually fascinating that applicants have to come to a website whose "primary" focus is the discussion of polygraph usage to try and find any type of information regarding an application process. This type of question indicates what a poor job the United States Federal government is doing as they try and hire a large amount of workers and expect them to wait forever without contacting them on their status as an applicant.
Such behavior is sure to leave a sour taste in prospective applicants or their willingness to consider government service in the future should other openings be created.
I came to this website because I was recently sent a letter from the FBI rescinding their conditional job offer to me. Because the letter did not mention anything about why (except to say that "due to the highly competitive process, I was not selected" -- whatever the heck that means) I my original job offer was rescinded. I contacted my AC and asked several questions and was told by them to request a FOIP and wait for the results and then call back. I thought this was patronizing and pure BS -- I've seen movies like this before and wasn't born on 10/4/2009. Anyway, Like I stated, I was drawn to this website (which I have found completely informative and enlightening) because I could not get any answers from the FBI (or their website). I don't know if I failed the polygraph, or the pre-interview, or the drug test because nobody will give me an answer. I think it is understandable for people to inquire on these things on here because it seems like that's what these threads are intended to do.
Posted by Fair Chance
- Aug 03, 2009, 08:15 PMGeorge,
The poster stated that after two weeks and over 100 views, that he received no replies. Aside that he posted in the proper forum, I find it continually fascinating that applicants have to come to a website whose "primary" focus is the discussion of polygraph usage to try and find any type of information regarding an application process. This type of question indicates what a poor job the United States Federal government is doing as they try and hire a large amount of workers and expect them to wait forever without contacting them on their status as an applicant.
Such behavior is sure to leave a sour taste in prospective applicants or their willingness to consider government service in the future should other openings be created.
The poster stated that after two weeks and over 100 views, that he received no replies. Aside that he posted in the proper forum, I find it continually fascinating that applicants have to come to a website whose "primary" focus is the discussion of polygraph usage to try and find any type of information regarding an application process. This type of question indicates what a poor job the United States Federal government is doing as they try and hire a large amount of workers and expect them to wait forever without contacting them on their status as an applicant.
Such behavior is sure to leave a sour taste in prospective applicants or their willingness to consider government service in the future should other openings be created.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Aug 03, 2009, 02:57 PMQuote from: Fair_Chance on Aug 03, 2009, 02:28 PMThis site is not government sponsored and has never represented itself as anything but a site to discuss the usage of the polygraph in general.
Actually, that's not quite correct. To be sure, AntiPolygraph.org is in no way government sponsored. But because we receive so many non-polygraph employment-related questions, we early on set up four forums specifically for non-polygraph employment-related discussion. The original poster posted to the correct forum. (I don't, however, know the answer to his/her question.)
Posted by Fair Chance
- Aug 03, 2009, 02:28 PMI find it quite fascinating that so many standard questions regarding application and employment are posted on a site that has dedicated itself to the discussion of the use of polygraph. This site is not government sponsored and has never represented itself as anything but a site to discuss the usage of the polygraph in general. If you want employment information, get in touch with the agencies that you have applied to. If they are non-responsive, contact your local federal representative for information.
Readers, if you cannot get the straight low down from "highly respected government web-sites" who are the official mouth pieces of the agencies involved, how to you expect us to know the answers?
Regards.
Readers, if you cannot get the straight low down from "highly respected government web-sites" who are the official mouth pieces of the agencies involved, how to you expect us to know the answers?
Regards.
Posted by whocouldibe123
- Aug 03, 2009, 08:49 AMWow. 2 weeks, over 100 views, and no replies! I just want to know my chances of getting contacted, and the average response time. Are there any scientists/engineers in here that applied for the CIA, or did everyone apply to be in clandestine services?
Posted by whocouldibe123
- Jul 20, 2009, 12:38 PMI just applied online to the CIA last week. I mentioned that I was particularly interested in the Science and Tech division. I have degrees in two areas of engineering, over a 3.0gpa from both undergrad and grad, and currently possess a security clearance.
How long do I have to wait to get contacted? Is the CIA currently hiring engineers or are they just looking for spies (a.k.a. clandestine services)? Will they call me, email me, show up at my front door?
How long do I have to wait to get contacted? Is the CIA currently hiring engineers or are they just looking for spies (a.k.a. clandestine services)? Will they call me, email me, show up at my front door?