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Posted by George W. Maschke
 - May 30, 2009, 06:30 AM
Disgraced LAPD polygraph operator Roy Ortiz lost his bid to become president of the American Polygraph Association. He was defeated by Nathan "Nate" Gordon, who is now in line to become president of the organization in 2010:

http://www.polygraph.org/news/1435
Posted by T.M. Cullen
 - Feb 24, 2009, 01:35 PM
QuoteOk, now hold on, in the interest of fairness, lets all take one step back.

First, is there any documented proof that the facts you allege happened?

Second, what were the facts surrounding the issue?

Better polygraph him to find out (with 98% accuracy) if he is telling the "truth"!   :P
Posted by Joe McCarthy
 - Feb 24, 2009, 10:27 AM
Quote from: lapolyguy on Feb 23, 2009, 10:15 PMI do not know if anyone on this board is aware that former LAPD Polygraph Officer in Charge Roy Ortiz was fired from his position.  Apparently he went off the deep end with another employee and his actions were deemed to be a threat to the safety that employee and the safety of all other LAPD employees.  We was escorted off the property by armed officers and administratively re-assigned to a non-polygraph position in a building away from Polygraph headquarters.

Eventually he was disciplined which led to a Civil Service Commission hearing.  At the hearing, he lost his position as Polygraph Officer in charge, and in order to keep his employment with the City he was demoted to a Clerk (Management Analyst).

How is a non law enforcement former polygraph examiner being allowed to run as president of the American Polygraph Association (APA)?  He has nothing to do with polygraphy anymore.  He is a mere records clerk.  How can this be allowed to happen?  The APA is supposedly the premier polygraph organization in the world.  They want a police records clerk to run their operations and lead their organization?  What a joke  

LAPOLYGUY

Ok, now hold on, in the interest of fairness, lets all take one step back.

First, is there any documented proof that the facts you allege happened?

Second, what were the facts surrounding the issue?

Third, California is a non-licensing state and therefore, it makes perfect sense to presume that he may be performing tests in the private sector and fully intend to continue doing so full time when he pension vests.

Having said that, if these allegations are true, I feel I have been very clear regarding my position on corruption in the polygraph field.  If the allegations are true, and the circumstances around the alleged incident be more factual than circumstantial, then he should clearly be in no position of power or accept any position of power until past issues are cleared up.

I do feel that it is unfair for anyone to make any biased judgments upon Mr. Ortiz without some sort to official documentation being presented to back up the story including but not limited to a news paper article or even the ability to produce documentation on request.  

While this is interesting information and it is something to look into, someone needs to play "devils advocate" here and keep things fair and honest.  Either way it seems Mr. Ortiz is entitled some benefit of the doubt until documentation is produced.

What's fair is fair everyone.  
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Feb 24, 2009, 06:31 AM
I note that in 2007, AntiPolygraph.org received an allegation that Roy Ortiz had been removed as head of the LAPD polygraph unit. In addition, we have received allegations that during the time he was in charge of the polygraph unit, Ortiz improperly altered polygraph reports.
Posted by lapolyguy
 - Feb 23, 2009, 10:15 PM
I do not know if anyone on this board is aware that former LAPD Polygraph Officer in Charge Roy Ortiz was fired from his position.  Apparently he went off the deep end with another employee and his actions were deemed to be a threat to the safety that employee and the safety of all other LAPD employees.  We was escorted off the property by armed officers and administratively re-assigned to a non-polygraph position in a building away from Polygraph headquarters.

Eventually he was disciplined which led to a Civil Service Commission hearing.  At the hearing, he lost his position as Polygraph Officer in charge, and in order to keep his employment with the City he was demoted to a Clerk (Management Analyst).

How is a non law enforcement former polygraph examiner being allowed to run as president of the American Polygraph Association (APA)?  He has nothing to do with polygraphy anymore.  He is a mere records clerk.  How can this be allowed to happen?  The APA is supposedly the premier polygraph organization in the world.  They want a police records clerk to run their operations and lead their organization?  What a joke  

LAPOLYGUY