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Posted by Bill Crider
 - Jan 20, 2006, 03:33 AM
QuoteIf you mention that you have researched polygraphy (I would suggest that you consider adopting the "complete honesty" approach outlined in Chapter 4 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector), the polygrapher may switch to a relevant/irrelevant format instead of the standard probable-lie CQT.

I did that on my last FBI test but got the same old cqt. what was different was that they dont go over the Qs with you ahead of time and they feebly attempt to trick you with a different style of control question. but since the relevants are worded exactly the same, its lame.

look sharp--i took 4 FBI polys, and never used CMs, and if i had it to do over again, I would have become a master of the CMs because I was innocent. the poly process is stupid and you owe it no favors if you are truly not lying. had i passed I would be in the FBI right now and rightfully so because i met all the criteria. just my 2 cents
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Jan 19, 2006, 01:05 PM
Quote from: Johnn on Jan 19, 2006, 12:52 PM
George,
If the retest only focus's on the area the applicant failed, then are control questions still used?  

I think it's left to the polygrapher's discretion whether to use a CQT or R/I format.
Posted by Johnn
 - Jan 19, 2006, 12:52 PM
Quote from: George W. Maschke on Jan 19, 2006, 11:51 AM

That is correct. Very few applicants pass "re-tests" offered by the FBI.


Based on feedback received, a re-test may focus only on the area regarding which the applicant "failed" the first time (usually the drug questions).


George,
If the retest only focus's on the area the applicant failed, then are control questions still used?  
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Jan 19, 2006, 11:51 AM
Quote from: sharp on Jan 19, 2006, 11:35 AMyeah, that's what I figured. My next questions are about a retest. Of course I am going to appeal, but from what I understand nobody passes the second attempt.

That is correct. Very few applicants pass "re-tests" offered by the FBI.

Quote1- what are the odds of getting a retest?

Excellent, if the applicant asks for it and has made no disqualifying admission(s).

Quote2- is the restest diferent from the 1st? is the format and questioning the same, or do they change it?

Based on feedback received, a re-test may focus only on the area regarding which the applicant "failed" the first time (usually the drug questions).

If you mention that you have researched polygraphy (I would suggest that you consider adopting the "complete honesty" approach outlined in Chapter 4 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector), the polygrapher may switch to a relevant/irrelevant format instead of the standard probable-lie CQT.

Quote3- do you get the same examiner, or do you have to ask for a different one?

A different examiner will probably be assigned in any event, but there is no harm in asking.
Posted by sharp
 - Jan 19, 2006, 11:35 AM
yeah, that's what I figured. My next questions are about a retest. Of course I am going to appeal, but from what I understand nobody passes the second attempt.

1- what are the odds of getting a retest?
2- is the restest diferent from the 1st? is the format and questioning the same, or do they change it?
3- do you get the same examiner, or do you have to ask for a different one?

Thanks-
Posted by symbiotic
 - Jan 19, 2006, 03:21 AM
sharp - sorry to hear it  - can you recall the questions and their wording? i'd like to compare it to my own experience
Posted by Johnn
 - Jan 18, 2006, 11:46 PM
I'm sorry to be (one of)  :) the first ones to break it to you, but if he said you failed, then believe me, you failed.

I was accused of drug usage, even though I've never used illegal drugs in my life.  

After my test, when the examiner came back in the room, he pretty  much told me that I was showing a "reaction" to the question regarding drug usage.  After I defended myself, the examiner kind of ignored my answer.  
Since he wasn't really speaking, but waiting for me to confess to something, I asked him straight out if I failed.  His eyes opened wide like I put him on the spot.  He just kept clearing his throat and saying, "well, I dont' know what to tell you, but you are showing a physiological reaction to the drug usage question".  He never told me directly that I failed.    Of course, 3 weeks later, I received the "offer rescinded" letter.

Therefore, based on my experience, I conclude that you did fail if he told you straight out.

By the way, mine was also for FBI
Posted by polyfool
 - Jan 18, 2006, 11:41 PM
Quote from: sharp on Jan 18, 2006, 09:32 PMI took an FBI SA employment poly. I was asked two sets of eight question, one for counter intell and one for drugs. I was never asked anything about stealing...is this normal or was my test cut short?
I have admitted to marijuana usage, after the second set of questions the polygrapher left the room. When he came back he said I failed because I must have been anxious about the guideline questions. There wasn't much more of a post discussion, just that I have to take responsibiltes for my actions and there is no way I could have used majijuana over a course of 12 years without being over the guidelines.  I am within the guidelines, and am confident of that. He then said again that I failed, but that HQ had to review it and I will be getting the letter soon.  Was he trying to get me to admit something, or did I really fail?
Thanks-stressed


Sharp,

Yes to both. He was trying to get you to admit to lying about your past drug usage and it's almost certain that  you will not pass your poly. Your polygraph examiner will recommend that you fail and more than likely Headquarters will go along with his SUBJECTIVE OPINION--and that's all it is, which is what makes the so-called test so unjust. Your examiner telling you to expect a letter is quite telling since those who pass their polys don't receive letters, they just continue along in the process. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you can expect a letter in a couple of weeks rescinding your conditional job offer. You can appeal the decision and may be offered a retest, but applicants never pass them. Sorry to hear of your unforunate situation. You're in good company on this board.  
Posted by sharp
 - Jan 18, 2006, 09:32 PM
I took an FBI SA employment poly. I was asked two sets of eight question, one for counter intell and one for drugs. I was never asked anything about stealing...is this normal or was my test cut short?
I have admitted to marijuana usage, after the second set of questions the polygrapher left the room. When he came back he said I failed because I must have been anxious about the guideline questions. There wasn't much more of a post discussion, just that I have to take responsibiltes for my actions and there is no way I could have used majijuana over a course of 12 years without being over the guidelines.  I am within the guidelines, and am confident of that. He then said again that I failed, but that HQ had to review it and I will be getting the letter soon.  Was he trying to get me to admit something, or did I really fail?
Thanks-stressed