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Posted by George Maschke (Guest)
 - Feb 07, 2001, 01:11 PM
QuoteDoes anyone know what type of poly the ATF will use in their upcoming mass hiring of agents?
I don't know the answer to this question, but if ATF follows the example of other federal law enforcement agencies, it would be using a probable-lie "control" question "test."

As for polygraphing current agents, the idea has some merit on equitable grounds: if applicants must "pass" a polygraph "test," why not current agents? Why not the director, SACs and ASACs? The more sensible solution, however, is a complete ban on lie detector "testing" in the workplace. This is something that will ultimately require passage of a comprehensive Employee Polygraph Protection Act that eliminates the governmental (and other) loopholes.

This will only happen if polygraph opponents like you and me write to our elected officials and demand it. See the AntiPolygraph.org Get Involved page for more on how we can work together to end polygraphy.
Posted by poly opponent
 - Feb 05, 2001, 11:40 PM
Does anyone know what type of poly the ATF will use in their upcoming mass hiring of agents??  This is the first time they have used the poly as a screening tool.

Any recourse if one fails?  Does anyone know if ATF has been advised of the lawsuit?

Any opinions on poly'ing (sic) current agents of ATF?  If applicants are required to pass it to become agents, shouldn't current agents be required to 'pass' it to stay in service?  And if so, why shouldn't retired agents be required to 'pass' the poly to keep their federal retirement benefits??

I would assume that if a judge required current agents ( including supervisory and those in the hiring unit) be required to 'pass' a poly, then I would think the poly requirement would go quickly away!!!

Maybe the lawsuit should specify that in order to polygraph applicants, then ***all*** current agents be required to 'pass' a poly administered by a independent polyographer!!!  Imagine the scene at the director's office the moment that edict came out!?!?!    Imagine the number of supervisory agents coming in and saying that you can't do this-" I'll lose people!!!" Don't believe me- refer to the 1994 FBI new agent class where over 40 % of those new agents – BTW currently serving on duty today- "failed' the poly!!!!