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Posted by George W. Maschke
- Jan 03, 2005, 04:53 AMIt is the stated policy of both CIA and NSA to consider all applicants without regard to race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, marital status, handicap, sexual orientation, or status as a parent. That doesn't mean that the people whose job it is to implement these policies are necessarily without bias, however, and the polygraph provides the perfect excuse for arbitrarily eliminating those who may be perceived as "not fitting the mold."
Nonetheless, your experience of being called back for a second polygraph session with both agencies is not atypical. On the contrary, it is standard practice for both of these agencies to subject applicants to multiple polygraph sessions. It appears that everyone is initially told that they are "having problems," subjected to (sometimes quite unpleasant) interrogation, and then called back for one or more follow-up polygraph interrogations (provided no disqualifying admissions have been made). In this latter regard, the fact that you disclosed the incident that concerns you during your initial polygraph exams and were nonetheless scheduled for follow-up sessions with both agencies suggests that it was not necessarily considered to be disqualifying.
Nonetheless, your experience of being called back for a second polygraph session with both agencies is not atypical. On the contrary, it is standard practice for both of these agencies to subject applicants to multiple polygraph sessions. It appears that everyone is initially told that they are "having problems," subjected to (sometimes quite unpleasant) interrogation, and then called back for one or more follow-up polygraph interrogations (provided no disqualifying admissions have been made). In this latter regard, the fact that you disclosed the incident that concerns you during your initial polygraph exams and were nonetheless scheduled for follow-up sessions with both agencies suggests that it was not necessarily considered to be disqualifying.
Posted by iwishiknew
- Jan 03, 2005, 01:11 AMi am curious to hear if anyone knows of discrimination against gays in the clearance process. i am gay and was accused of molesting boys because i revealed an incident that has haunted me since i was 13. i spoke of this only because i knew it bothered me still and i always considered it a "crime". i disclosed this in my initial polygraphs at both cia and nsa. i had a second polygraph the very next day at cia and second one at nsa about three months after my first nsa poly. in both of the second polys i felt "fine" enough and was almost confident that i had "resolved" the issues. i still came away feeling as though judgements were made based on my sexual orientation and not fact.
despite all the bullshit, i would like to pursue the job i was offered. has anyone heard of someone being "removed from processing" to be allowed to re-apply and succeed? i do not want to waste any more time thinking about this if it is truly not possible. i am waiting for my FOIA request to be processed. judging from past communications, i expect the response to be just as useless as previous responses. i look to you all for your experience.
interesting of note - the nsa knows from testing i know three of the languages most desperately needed right now. i learned them from scratch as a non-native and have achieved high levels of proficiency. i think it curious that someone who has such abilities and who wants to help is treated so poorly.
thank you.
despite all the bullshit, i would like to pursue the job i was offered. has anyone heard of someone being "removed from processing" to be allowed to re-apply and succeed? i do not want to waste any more time thinking about this if it is truly not possible. i am waiting for my FOIA request to be processed. judging from past communications, i expect the response to be just as useless as previous responses. i look to you all for your experience.
interesting of note - the nsa knows from testing i know three of the languages most desperately needed right now. i learned them from scratch as a non-native and have achieved high levels of proficiency. i think it curious that someone who has such abilities and who wants to help is treated so poorly.
thank you.