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polypro
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posted 05-27-2013 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for polypro   Click Here to Email polypro     Edit/Delete Message
I have a little problem, and maybe someone like Ray or someone else out there can help me out: During the pre-test, should an examiner ask an examinee to think about their misdeed before answering a DLC question? I know that everyone is concerned about mental CM's, but do you really think a person can overcome a relevant issue with mental CM's? (I personally don't) I have noticed that after the first asking of a series the examinee has a tendency to habituate consistently through the other two or three askings of the series. I would really like as many opinions as possible on this one. Thanks

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Barry C
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posted 05-27-2013 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C   Click Here to Email Barry C     Edit/Delete Message
We used to teach it as you described, but we no longer do. Simply confirm the person has committed a transgression and proceed as you have, leaving out the request to think about an incident each time the question is presented.

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rnelson
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posted 05-28-2013 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rnelson   Click Here to Email rnelson     Edit/Delete Message
Barry is right.

We used to teach it that way, but had more problems with odd breathing artifacts when we over-processed and over scripted the introduction of the DLC.

1. introduce the topic and normalize it (this is something most if not everyone has done)
2. get the examinee's endorsement
3. advise the examinee that it is not necessary to admit or reveal anything that he or she is thinking (at this point the examinee will in fact be thinking about the thing they do not wish to reveal)
4. explain the need to answer "no"
5. practice

Lather.
Rinse.
Repeat.


After explaining all the DLCs you can explain a little more.

A. Explain the need to see how the person's body reacts and would react if the person lies during the exam.
B. Explain the need to know that the person can react - to avoid inconclusive results.
C. Explain that truthful people will not want an inconclusive result because it is not a passing result (B and C are intended to bind the truthful examinee's attention to the DLC - to help them resist the temptation to simply ignore them).
D. I have begun to also explain that it is not necessary to make one's body do anything, but that the body will do exactly what it is supposed to do if the person is paying attention to each and every test question.
E. If there is a need to further explain the psychophysiological basis of response (not FFF) then I still prefer to explain it in terms of cognitive dissonance - a type of response in the brain and body when people attempt to reconcile or maintain two different ideas or two different pieces of information that do not agree: 1) what they know about their past behavior, and 2) answering "no" to the questions during the test. (It's not a perfect application of the theory of cognitive dissonance, but it seems close enough for jazz.)

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NHPolygraph
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posted 05-28-2013 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NHPolygraph   Click Here to Email NHPolygraph     Edit/Delete Message
Ray, It's close enough an explanation if I remember correctly from my college psychology courses. However, I think your version is much better suited for "blues' than jazz.

Just my 2 cents...

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clambrecht
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posted 05-30-2013 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for clambrecht     Edit/Delete Message
Was in Austin a few weeks ago for a week long "advanced" course and they also echo what Barry and Ray have posted above: Just have them recognize that they know their answer is a lie. No need to ask them to mentally take themselves out of the room. Keep them in the room and focused on the questions. Keep in mind, the deceptive does not "relive" the event each and every time he hears the Rs asked..He simply knows this is the question he is lying to. The truthful person's salience for the DLCs will be enough to produce an NDI chart. There is no need to worry about the "strength" of a DLC because you still habituate the innocent to the Rs in the pretest.

Something I learned: When people criticize the DLC for being an obvious invitation for some examinees to use CMs -that is a GOOD thing. Why? Because you will spot them easier. TexasDPS' cadre of examiners have noticed that DLC's seem to produce "cleaner" charts. The deceptive police applicant who has studied CMs will hammer the DLCs and they are quickly spotted- especially in the pneumos.

I will be using the DLC more and more and will report my observations here...or somewhere. I hope this board does not move to the APA website because I am not a member yet. Why limit the reach of this body of knowledge?

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dkrapohl
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posted 05-30-2013 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dkrapohl   Click Here to Email dkrapohl     Edit/Delete Message
clambrecht:

Can send you an APA membership application. Just send me a mailing address to editor@polgraph.org. The APA bulletin board doesn't have the traffic Ralph has had yet, but it does offer a platform for continuing exchanges.

Invitation to the APA site goes out to everyone here. The not-yet APA members need only send me a mailing address for the application.

Ralph: My final post here. Let me offer a heartfelt thanks for all you have done for our community.

Don

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