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Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box Jacob D. Worthington III

Just had my CBP poly
Feb 6th, 2020 at 4:25pm
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Well, the process was a joke.  I had zero faith in the system and the examiner so it came back as a no decision exam.  I only made it through two different question groups.  George's book and directed lie guide for CPB were on the money for everything I experienced down to the number they made me choose for the stim test.  Oh yea, I was totally a screamer or whatever terminology the dude used. 

A couple of weird things happened though.

1.) I was shifted from directed lie to control question test after the first bank of questions.  Not sure if they thought I was using countermeasure.  (not reacting because you know the test is bogus isnt a countermeasure IMO..but whatever)

2.) I was given the silent answer test from the start.  I had just finished the stim test and he had me stare at some point on the wall and slightly nod yes or no to each of the questions. 

3.) My breathing was normal, so I feel like he was trying to throw me by tightening the cuff even more.  For the first test, it was comfortable, but for the breakout tests they really clamped that shit down and my hand turned purple.  I ignored it and continued breathing like a normal human being. 

3.) He kept telling me I was spiking on the control questions and that was an indication that of not having enough integrity for the CBP.  He kept stressing that I would have no movement across the board which I know is crap.  Does that mean I more than likely had zero movement across the needles and he wanted to rattle me? 

From the others I've talked to, it seems like a new normal to bring you in, get you through  a couple rounds of questioning, deem you no decision and then bring you back another day. Huge waste of time if you ask me, but now I know for sure that the test is a sca.

At the end, it really took every ounce of my fiber and self control to not say "I thought my body was unable to lie without giving me away, how could this test be inconclusive?"  And that statement right there is why I know the test is complete and utter bullshit.
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Re: Just had my CBP poly
Reply #1 - Feb 6th, 2020 at 7:38pm
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Thank you for sharing your experience. Regarding your points:

1. I do not know what might prompt a polygraph operator to switch from a directed-lie to a probable-lie format. I don't see how doing that would be an effective counter-countermeasure.

2. I haven't heard of the silent answer technique being used from the very beginning of a polygraph "test," either.

3. A "Back to Basics" presentation used as part of the NCCA countermeasures course includes a suggestion (at slide 22) to overinflate the blood pressure cuff to punish examinees who breath more slowly than the polygraph operator would like. Perhaps this is what happened in your case, but I wouldn't necessarily assume this to be the case, especially in light of the next point.

4. Your polygraph operator's telling you that you were spiking on the "control" questions may have been an attempt to sensitize you to them, which would have the expected effect of helping you to pass.

Note that if your polygraph was performed by a contractor, the contractor receives more money when an applicant is brought back for a second session (or if the applicant is disqualified and a new applicant must be polygraphed to fill the opening). This may create perverse incentives.

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