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Nov 27th, 2019 at 6:36pm
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I've taken seven polygraphs in my life. All of them for LEO positions. I have passed all polygraphs except the two I have taken with CBP (3 years apart). All of the examiners use the same software and technique. They all use the same physical equipment. However, some how, miraculously, I fail CBP and pass all others without even a question of deception? The CBP examiner claims I lied about "serious crimes" and "drug usage". Both times with CBP I was accused of lying about those same questions but never when asked those questions with other departments. What could CBP possibly be doing differently that they show readings there and no one else does?

Most importantly, can someone knowledgeable explain this strange behavior for me please-

During my recent CBP polygraph the examiner asked me seven series of questions. After each series they released the cuff and then came over to me and completely adjusted the pneumograph tubes to different areas. At one point both tubes were on top of each other very high up by my breasts. Why would they keep moving the tubes after each series of questions then say I failed? They also told me to not answer the questions verbally at one point and to only "nod my head yes or no". They said they would be watching me and could see the subtle movements but in me peripheral vision I could see every time that they were only looking at the monitor and not me. What's up with that?

Then finally, at one point the lead of one of the pneumograph tubes "broke" and I was told to sit outside while they fixed it. This happened on both of my CBP polys only. Both times they moved the tubes constantly and something "broke" at some point. What the heck?

  
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Reply #1 - Nov 28th, 2019 at 12:07am
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The company that administers polygraph exams for the CBP charges $2200 per test so they have a vested interest in failing as many people as they possibly can simply because the more people they fail, the more tests they run to fill the openings. It’s simple math.
  

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Reply #2 - Nov 28th, 2019 at 1:07am
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Michelle,

Allow me to interject some perspective...

Polygraph "testing," at its very best, is a crapshoot.

The result is nothing more than the examiner's semi-educated guess.

As for the examiner's antics and accusations that occur in the polygraph suite, it's all theater -- in my opinion.

I've been a member of the American Polygraph Association since 2004, and have tried repeatedly to bring enlightenment and reason to the APA's political machine. All to little avail.

As Doug Williams has so succinctly pointed out, polygraph "testing" can be largely about money. I agree.

But that's just my opinion, based on 15+ years of experience and observation.

As an aside, it's very interesting... Whenever I post on this site I soon get a flurry of inquiries requesting special "help."

I find the timing to be most queer.

Thus far, not one such needy individual has been able to pass my authenticity test.

Strange, no?

  
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Reply #3 - Nov 28th, 2019 at 4:55am
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Thank you for the responses. I get the money factor Doug but why would they fail me twice? Clearly they see my commitment if I came back to endure more of this a second time. Wouldn't that prove to them I have nothing to hide even more? What are your thoughts on the constant movement of the breathing tubes after every set of questions? How could the results be usable if the equipment was always moved.
  
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Reply #4 - Nov 28th, 2019 at 8:47am
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I've taken seven polygraphs in my life. All of them for LEO positions. I have passed all polygraphs except the two I have taken with CBP (3 years apart). All of the examiners use the same software and technique. They all use the same physical equipment. However, some how, miraculously, I fail CBP and pass all others without even a question of deception? The CBP examiner claims I lied about "serious crimes" and "drug usage". Both times with CBP I was accused of lying about those same questions but never when asked those questions with other departments. What could CBP possibly be doing differently that they show readings there and no one else does?


CBP polygraph operators may be under pressure to produce pass rates that track with the organizational average of about 1:3. A CBP polygraph operator who passed more than this ratio might face unwelcome scrutiny.

In addition, with respect to your second CBP polygraph, the safest thing for your polygraph operator to do was to confirm the result of your prior CBP polygraph.

Note that while CBP does hire contractors to perform polygraph interrogations, who are handsomely paid for conducting this pseudoscientific ritual, not all CBP polygraph operators are contractors. Many are federal employees.

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Most importantly, can someone knowledgeable explain this strange behavior for me please-

During my recent CBP polygraph the examiner asked me seven series of questions. After each series they released the cuff and then came over to me and completely adjusted the pneumograph tubes to different areas. At one point both tubes were on top of each other very high up by my breasts. Why would they keep moving the tubes after each series of questions then say I failed?


It is not normal to have to adjust the pneumograph tubes after each chart collection, and I don't know what could account for this. You'll find the federal polygraph school's instructions for placement of pneumograph tubes at pages 4-6 of the document, Attachment and Placement of Polygraph Instrument Recording Sensors.

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They also told me to not answer the questions verbally at one point and to only "nod my head yes or no". They said they would be watching me and could see the subtle movements but in me peripheral vision I could see every time that they were only looking at the monitor and not me. What's up with that?


This is the so-called "Silent Answer Test" that is sometimes employed when the polygraph operator suspects that the subject is employing polygraph countermeasures. We address it at p. 165 of the 5th edition of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector:

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In  this  technique  (Matte, 1996),  which  is  apparently  intended  to catch  examinees  off  guard,  the  examinee  is  told  to  remain  silent during the “in test” phase and to answer the questions in his/her head. Just as in normal polygraph examinations in which one answers out loud, the way to pass the Silent Answer Test is produce stronger  reactions  to  the  “control”  questions  than  to  the  “relevant” questions. Don’t do anything differently.


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Then finally, at one point the lead of one of the pneumograph tubes "broke" and I was told to sit outside while they fixed it. This happened on both of my CBP polys only. Both times they moved the tubes constantly and something "broke" at some point. What the heck?


It is unusual for a pneumograph tube (most likely the bead chain) to break during any particular polygraph session. It is even more strange that this occurred during both of your CBP polygraph interrogations.
  

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Reply #5 - Nov 28th, 2019 at 7:38pm
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Thank you very, very much. The only "countermeasures" I used was measured breathing to try to allieve my anxiety. I always do that to relax myself to help get through these exams. Screw them. I bet they moved the tubes to illicit a fail response even though I was passing.
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 29th, 2019 at 7:22am
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Thank you very, very much. The only "countermeasures" I used was measured breathing to try to allieve my anxiety. I always do that to relax myself to help get through these exams. Screw them. I bet they moved the tubes to illicit a fail response even though I was passing.

The idea of telling you to nod your head while answering could also have nefarious purposes. Even with the "silent answer test," instructing you to make physical movements when answering questions is not supported in any polygraph doctrine that I am familiar with.

But your attitude is correct. With the exception of Baltimore City PD, it's tough to think of a less desirable place to work in law enforcement than CBP. I'd suggest that you focus on improving your CV and apply with agencies that offer more intellectually stimulating work. Preferably, those that do not force applicants to submit to this degrading pseudoscientific ritual.
  
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Reply #7 - Dec 3rd, 2019 at 6:28am
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Got mine in [redacted] days, can ypu hive me a heads upf of the questions that will be asked?

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Reply #8 - Dec 3rd, 2019 at 6:32am
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CBP's pre-employment polygraph screening technique is called the Test for Espionage, Sabotage, and Corruption (TES-C). You'll find documentation, including the questions asked, here:

https://antipolygraph.org/blog/2018/06/22/u-s-customs-and-border-protection-poly...
  

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