Never heard the term "out of scope".  It sounds like it means that the polygraph test was irrelevant, which makes me wonder why even give someone an irrelevant polygraph?  Seems like a waste of time.  Sounds like they wanted to keep the guy Strzok on board so they just ignored his spikey poly charts.

Funny how a heterosexual affair is frowned upon, but a homosexual lifestyle is accepted, supported, and even accommodated.  I know of couples with open marriages and their security clearance goes in jeopardy because of it.  However, the flaming faggots can run free. What a crappity smacked up world we live in.   

For these IC agencies, you have to "pass" the polygraph to get hired.  If they think you are lying or hiding something, you will get rejected and your rejection letter will most likely say you are "unsuitable".  Once you are hired, it is very hard to fire someone for a "failed" polygraph alone, they need other evidence like a confession, which is the smoking gun.  Just having spikey polygraph charts from a current IC employee carries very little weight.   

I took the FBI polygraph before, lied my ass off, and passed.  It isn't hard once you know how it works.  I have been spreading the message on how to beat the poly myself to everyone I know.  I hope in the future everyone can beat the poly, and render it completely useless.

]beat_the_system wrote on Jul 10^th, 2018 at 3:14am:


I don't care if people want to crappity smack mules.  I don't have to accept or support anything.  I don't understand why people don't keep their sex life to themselves.  I find homos disgusting and I find it deplorable that they are now a protected class.  Nobody should be given special privileges.  We can go on about the history of discrimination, but here in the 21st century we should not be protecting anyone.  Not to get off topic, but you can google stories about transgendered people winning athletic events because they are biologically male competing with females.  What is next?  If I say someone is too FAT to be a swimsuit model, is that discriminating too?  But I digress, back to the point...

The quoted point that I raised IS relevant to Strzok's polygraph.  They grilled him on having an affair.  My point is that we don't grill queers on being queer anymore, so why grill normal people for sleeping around?  It is irrelevant.  Anyone can be open about their sexual lifestyle and not subject to blackmail, so who gives a crappity smack.  Unless someone is caught giving away national secrets to foreigners, then nothing else in their life matters.  Leave Strzok's sexual life, and everyone's sexual life, out of the polygraph.   

I stand by everything I said here, quote me, buy me a t-shirt, give me a tattoo on my forehead.  Down with polygraphs, down with invading people's personal lives, and down with protected classes.

beat_the_system wrote on Jul 10^th, 2018 at 3:14am:

It would only seem a waste of time for those who know the secret. It is in fact, a violation of National policy to take unfavorable actions against an existing employee based solely with their polygraph chart results, readings, interpretations, or whatever.

Has anyone ever actually seen the FBI's "internal" directives, instructions, or regulations on this policy?  Surely they exist, but they keep them hidden from the public. If this secret gets out, it will be a MAJOR blow to the polygraph and the security industries. Only applicants for NEWLY adjudicated clearances will be subjected to the abuse and humiliation. Periodic re-polygraph testing would be useless if everyone knew that there would be no punishment for "flunking" it.

DoD does have such a policy - DODI 5210.91. The ODNI has even provided clarification with SEAD-4. They both direct that no unfavorable actions shall be taken using only the polygraph "results". There must be some evidence of an act of misconduct to substantiate the suspicion of a wrong doing - as defined by the 13 National Security Adjudicative Guidelines. 

The secret is out and big polygraph is scared.

Dan Mangan wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:47pm:

Or squeeze it too hard and you cause someone to suffer a nervous breakdown. Five interrogations in three years is abuse. They disabled retired me from federal service due to PTSD that I acquired from this abusive treatment. Now, I can't even get them to pay my doctors' bills.

Someone needs to be held accountable. Allowing this abuse to continue is unconscionable.

Dan Mangan wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:47pm:


Dan, I've read enough of your posts to know that you are a fellow crusader. I sincerely appreciate your candor and always value your input. I will be happy to work beside you in any capacity that I can.

The polygraph is a theater - a parlor trick as I've come to call it. The really insidious part, is that the polygraphist is in the business of finding liars. How can you justify your budget if you’re not finding liars? Especially, in the highly funded Offices of Security throughout the government. The Insider Threat Task Force that Obama created, is a DEEPSTATE asset and has become a threat to our individual liberties. They operate with impunity, and no one is willing or able to stop them – I believe either they’re afraid, or they’re paid off.  I’ve blown the whistle to all of the Inspectors General in my chain of command. I’ve contacted my Congressmen and my Senators. I’ve filed complaints with the Congressional Oversight Committees. How do you get someone to hear the damn whistle when you blow it?

You know, as do many other readers of this website - It's not difficult to take an unsuspecting individual and get them to "spike the charts". And, it doesn't matter who else "interprets" the charts, a spike is a spike.

For some innocent souls, it's impossible to control the fear response once they've been accused of, or suspected of, doing something wrong. In this case, telling a lie. These aren't calm and orderly accusations, they are the get-right-up-in-your-face kind of intimidating accusations. They threaten to take your job, your good name and who knows what else.

My story is no different than those of countless others. I started spilling my guts on every "dangerous to security" practices that we did in my office. Apparently, that wasn't what they we looking for, so they hauled me in again and again, over and over. They never did accuse me of actually doing anything wrong, I just spiked the charts.

Before the last interrogation, I presented rational medical evidence that should have exempted me. Instead, they ignored my request to be excused, and claimed that they didn't know of any policy that would exempt me. After another TDY to DC, I was seen immediately afterward by two DIA psychologists who talked me down. I was sent home and told to resume treatment with my doctors in Tampa.

My doctors advised me apply for Workers' Compensation and Disability due to the inescapable and unavoidable stress involved with my duties and responsibilities. I was granted disability retirement based on my physician’s diagnoses, but senior officials lied to the DOL and said that five polygraphs in there years is not excessive and that all of their actions were legitimate, and not in violation of any other policies or regulations (I have the letter).

It wasn’t the number or the frequency of the examinations that I complained about, rather the fact that they were exacerbating my disorders.

FACT: According to DOD policy, individuals with mental, psychological or emotional conditions should be exempted from examinations.

John M. wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:17pm:

Oh Really?  In the real world, there is no such policy.

George W. Maschke wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:20pm:


In a House of Representatives joint committee hearing today, Peter Strzok explained that an employee's polygraph being "out of scope" means that the employee is overdue for a periodic polygraph examination. He affirmed that he has not failed any FBI polygraph examination.