Hello, this person has never taken a polygraph before and is being assigned to a position that might require one. What can happen to military personnel who refuses to take a polygraph?

Not only will you not be assigned to the position, you can be denied access for anything else.  Having a clearance does not grant you the right to access, it only makes you eligible for access.  You will also become familiar with your service's counterintelligence office, and not in a good way.  Refusals are addressed in DOD Instruction 5210.91

I know a failed poly can end a career, but simply refusing one has the same effect?  Jeez! What about if working at a DOD contractor like Boeing, and your managers come and say "we want you on a special project, but you have to take a polygraph for your TS/SCI upgrade", and you refuse and tell them you know the polygraph is bullshit thanks to Antipolygraph.org?  Will they fire you?

quickfix wrote on Oct 14^th, 2017 at 3:55pm:


It is unconscionable for the government to put that much power in the hands of thugs like you.  You and your fellow charlatans and quacks in the polygraph industry are unjustly enriching yourselves at the expense of hundreds of thousands of people. It is past time for our elected representatives to stop those of you who are perpetrating this fraud of "lie detection" - it has ruined the lives of far too many people. 

quickfix wrote on Oct 14^th, 2017 at 6:26pm:


Ha ha Quickfix - another fine ad hominem attack. And you are right - I am indeed a felon. But not just a run-of-the-mill felon -
I am a PROUD, UNREPENTANT FELON!  Because the crime I was convicted of - teaching a person to "beat" the so called "lie detector" - proves the polygraph, when used as a "lie detector", is absolutely worthless! And my prosecution proves that you, and everyone in your evil industry know it!  It also proves you and your fellow polygraph thugs have been lying all along about two very important things: 1) That you can detect so called countermeasures, and 2) That I could not do what I was convicted of doing - and that is to teach a person to beat your worthless gadget.   

But I beg to differ with you – the government does care what I think.  I was given the VOLUNTEER ADVOCATE award by the ACLU for being the "one person most responsible for the passage of the EMPLOYEE POLYGRAPH PROTECTION ACT". And, God willing, I will also be the one who is most responsible for utterly destroying your evil industry and holding you and your fellow polygraph thugs up to the contempt and ridicule you, and they, so richly deserve. Your days are numbered charlatan! I may be a felon, but I am telling the truth about the fraud of "lie detection" and you are lying – and that's going to count for something sooner or later.

quickfix wrote on Oct 14^th, 2017 at 6:26pm:


"The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted"  James Madison

Everything the Founding Fathers worried about has come to life with the polygraph.  Out of control government abusing the rights of the minority, in this case the minority of the polygraph victims.  Quickfix continues to extol the greatness of the government and it is painfully obvious he can not comprehend the gravity of the oath he took to the Constitution.  He lied when he took that oath, probably because he is too ignorant to understand it, but he lied.  Quickfix, our Founding Fathers recognized that government was necessary but also evil because they knew it would be run by people like you.  It's all about the Constitution, not the government.

damn, good question - one that deserves an answer.  Since the use of the polygraph within the government is unregulated, it will largely depend on the security office you are dealing with.

At DIA for instance, they are supposed to follow DOD policy. If your company's contract involves the Department of Defense, I suggest you see DODI 5210.91 (attached).  Under this policy, you would not be granted initial access, assignment, or detail if you refused the polygraph interrogation.

This policy also dictates however, that no unfavorable administrative action (to include access, employment, assignment, and detail determinations) shall be taken based solely on the polygraph "results".  So, one would assume that your current job would be safe.

Oh yeah, unfavorable administrative actions are also defined by CFR Title 32, Part 154.

At the DIA Office of Security, the Insider Threat Task Force operates in conjunction with the Credibility Assessments Program, and the job of hunting insiders is a lot easier using the polygraph.  I voluntarily sat through five interrogations in three years because I understood that if I refused, I would be punished.

I supposedly "failed" two of them - the three others were determined to be "no opinion".  They came one day and walked me out of the building -  like a criminal.  They took my badge and all my accesses.  My former co-workers were told not to associate with me.  I was libelously labeled a threat to security and a vulnerability.  I believe they knew that they couldn't fire me, so they banished me - sending me involuntarily to an unclassified job 1,000 miles away.

I had a TS/SCI for 34 years without a security related incident.  I completed six successful SSBI background checks.  This isn't supposed to happen in a free and honorable society.

I would be very concerned, as you are.  I hope you continue to ask questions, just be aware that you may draw attention from the counterintelligence nazis.  They'll have all your accesses pulled and you will be of no use to your company.

Oh yeah, about that reg.....

John M. wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Nothing libelous about it.  You were a threat to national security, and you've been neutralized.  The system works as it's supposed to.Wandersmann wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

And the Constitution was written by whom?  Oh, yeah, representatives, aka government.