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Aunty Agony Very Senior User Offline Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 15^th, 2011	Re: Can Military personel refuse a CI polygraph? Reply #30 - Oct 19^th, 2017 at 9:00pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	quickfix wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:01pm: Yes, they are examples, they are real-world examples of the types of information that a person provides after exhibiting significant responses. They are real-world examples of the types of information that a guilty person provided. They are certainly NOT "examples of the sorts of reasons that a truthful person who exhibits significant responses to relevant questions could provide to a polygraph examiner that would mitigate any security concerns". If this is the best answer you can make then you are not convincing anyone.


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quickfix Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 368 Joined: Jan 15^th, 2006	Re: Can Military personel refuse a CI polygraph? Reply #31 - Oct 20^th, 2017 at 6:34pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Aunty Agony wrote on Oct 19^th, 2017 at 9:00pm: If this is the best answer you can make then you are not convincing anyone. Couldn't care less if you are convinced or not.


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John M. Very Senior User Offline Posts: 179 Location: Tampa, Florida Joined: May 3^rd, 2017 Gender:	Re: Can Military personel refuse a CI polygraph? Reply #32 - Oct 20^th, 2017 at 8:13pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Aunty Agony wrote on Oct 19^th, 2017 at 9:00pm: If this is the best answer you can make then you are not convincing anyone. Well Aunty, you have to admit, they are being able to convince someone that it's okay to judge, based solely on the results. The abuse has become institutionalized.

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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Can Military personel refuse a CI polygraph? Reply #33 - Oct 20^th, 2017 at 9:12pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	quickfix wrote on Oct 20^th, 2017 at 6:34pm: Aunty Agony wrote on Oct 19^th, 2017 at 9:00pm: If this is the best answer you can make then you are not convincing anyone. Couldn't care less if you are convinced or not. I suspect that, in fact, you could indeed care less. But let us suppose for the sake of argument (and for the moment) that you couldn't. Why then do you even bother to post here?

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quickfix Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 368 Joined: Jan 15^th, 2006	Re: Can Military personel refuse a CI polygraph? Reply #34 - Oct 20^th, 2017 at 9:37pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	George W. Maschke wrote on Oct 20^th, 2017 at 9:12pm: Why then do you even bother to post here? Because there are 2 sides to every polygraph story. Why should the antipolygraph community be the only side heard from?


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Doug Williams Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 284 Joined: Feb 15^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Can Military personel refuse a CI polygraph? Reply #35 - Oct 20^th, 2017 at 10:02pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	quickfix wrote on Oct 20^th, 2017 at 9:37pm: George W. Maschke wrote on Oct 20^th, 2017 at 9:12pm: Why then do you even bother to post here? Because there are 2 sides to every polygraph story. Why should the antipolygraph community be the only side heard from? No Quickfix there are not two sides to EVERY polygraph story - and certainly there are not two sides to the story about whether or not the polygraph is accurate and reliable as a "lie detector". You know as well as I do that there is no such thing as a "reaction that indicates deception". And since there is no such thing as a "lying reaction", it follows that there is no such thing as a "lie detector"! The reaction that you falsely claim "indicates deception" in truth and in fact only indicates nervousness – nothing more and nothing less. And for you to say that the polygraph is 95% accurate as a lie detector is an out-right lie - no "two sides" to that either - and you know it. There is no debating the fact that the polygraph is just a prop for an interrogator – a psychological billy club that will coerce a person into a confession. And I think I know why you post here. I believe it is because you are trying desperately to stem the tide of public opinion that is rapidly turning against you. It is very apparent from your many posts that you are a liar, a fraud, a bully and a thug - your own words betray your true nature and show what you are every time you spew forth your venomness posts. Your anger is evidence of the fact that you are very angry about being held accountable for your actions and you are desperately afraid that the use of the polygraph will be banned and you will never again be able to unjustly enrich yourself by perpetrating this terribly abusive fraud. But I say continue posting – you are a fine example of the type of individual who administers these polygraph "tests"! In fact, you are a perfect spokesman for the thugs and charlatans in the polygraph industry.
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