Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 2 [3]  Send TopicPrint
Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) Can Military personel refuse a CI polygraph? (Read 2203 times)
Aunty Agony
Very Senior User
****
Offline



Posts: 121
Joined: Aug 15th, 2011
Re: Can Military personel refuse a CI polygraph?
Reply #30 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:00pm
Print Post  
quickfix wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:01pm:
Yes, they are examples, they are real-world examples of the types of information that a person provides after exhibiting significant responses.

They are real-world examples of the types of information that a guilty person provided. They are certainly NOT "examples of the sorts of reasons that a truthful person who exhibits significant responses to relevant questions could provide to a polygraph examiner that would mitigate any security concerns".

If this is the best answer you can make then you are not convincing anyone.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
quickfix
Especially Senior User
*****
Offline



Posts: 321
Joined: Jan 15th, 2006
Re: Can Military personel refuse a CI polygraph?
Reply #31 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 6:34pm
Print Post  
Aunty Agony wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:00pm:
If this is the best answer you can make then you are not convincing anyone.

Couldn't care less if you are convinced or not.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
John M.
Very Senior User
****
Offline



Posts: 120
Joined: May 3rd, 2017
Re: Can Military personel refuse a CI polygraph?
Reply #32 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 8:13pm
Print Post  
Aunty Agony wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:00pm:
If this is the best answer you can make then you are not convincing anyone.

Well Aunty, you have to admit, they are being able to convince someone that it's okay to judge, based solely on the results.

The abuse has become institutionalized.
  

"The polygraph examination is a supplement to, not a substitute for, other methods of investigation.  No, unfavorable administrative action shall be taken based solely on its results."  ~ DODI 5210.91.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
George W. Maschke
Global Moderator
*****
Offline


Make-believe science yields
make-believe security.

Posts: 5776
Location: The Hague, The Netherlands
Joined: Sep 29th, 2000
Re: Can Military personel refuse a CI polygraph?
Reply #33 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 9:12pm
Print Post  
quickfix wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 6:34pm:
Aunty Agony wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:00pm:
If this is the best answer you can make then you are not convincing anyone.

Couldn't care less if you are convinced or not. 


I suspect that, in fact, you could indeed care less. But let us suppose for the sake of argument (and for the moment) that you couldn't. Why then do you even bother to post here?
  

George W. Maschke
Tel/SMS: 1-202-810-2105 (Please use Signal Private Messenger or WhatsApp to text or call.)
E-mail/iMessage/FaceTime: maschke@antipolygraph.org
Wire: @georgemaschke
PGP Public Key: 316A947C
PGP Public Key (offline): 2BF4374B
Personal Statement: "Too Hot of a Potato"
Back to top
IP Logged
 
quickfix
Especially Senior User
*****
Offline



Posts: 321
Joined: Jan 15th, 2006
Re: Can Military personel refuse a CI polygraph?
Reply #34 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 9:37pm
Print Post  
George W. Maschke wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 9:12pm:
Why then do you even bother to post here?

Because there are 2 sides to every polygraph story.  Why should the antipolygraph community be the only side heard from?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Doug Williams
Especially Senior User
*****
Offline



Posts: 252
Joined: Feb 15th, 2007
Gender: Male
Re: Can Military personel refuse a CI polygraph?
Reply #35 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 10:02pm
Print Post  
quickfix wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 9:37pm:
George W. Maschke wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 9:12pm:
Why then do you even bother to post here?

Because there are 2 sides to every polygraph story.  Why should the antipolygraph community be the only side heard from?


No Quickfix there are not two sides to EVERY polygraph story -  and certainly there are not two sides to the story about whether or not the polygraph is accurate and reliable as a "lie detector".  You know as well as I do that there is no such thing as a "reaction that indicates deception".  And since there is no such thing as a "lying reaction", it follows that there is no such thing as a "lie detector"! The reaction that you falsely claim "indicates deception" in truth and in fact only indicates nervousness – nothing more and nothing less. And for you to say that the polygraph is 95% accurate as a lie detector is an out-right lie - no "two sides" to that either - and you know it.  There  is no debating the fact that the polygraph is just a prop for an interrogator – a psychological billy club that will coerce a person into a confession.

And I think I know why you post here.  I believe it is because you are trying desperately to stem the tide of public opinion that is rapidly turning against you.  It is very apparent from your many posts that you are a liar, a fraud, a bully and a thug - your own words betray your true nature and show what you are every time you spew forth your venomness posts.  Your anger is evidence of the fact that you are very angry about being  held accountable for your actions and you are desperately afraid that the use of the polygraph will be banned and you will never again be able to  unjustly enrich yourself by perpetrating this terribly abusive fraud.

But I say continue posting – you are a fine example of the type of individual who administers these polygraph "tests"!  In fact, you  are a perfect spokesman for the thugs and charlatans in the polygraph industry.
« Last Edit: Oct 21st, 2017 at 12:26pm by Doug Williams »  

It is time to put a stop to this government sponsored sadism perpetrated by those who use this insidious Orwellian instrument of torture called the 'lie detector'!  Education is the most effective weapon I have to finally put a stop to the abusive practice of polygraph 'testing'.  Help me by educating yourself and others.  My book FROM COP TO CRUSADER: THE STORY OF MY FIGHT AGAINST THE DANGROUS MYTH OF "LIE DETECTION" is available on Amazon in e-book or paperback - please get this book and send it to as many people as you can - it literally destroys the myth of "lie detection"!  Doug Williams
Back to top
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 2 [3] 
Send TopicPrint
Bookmarks: del.icio.us Digg Facebook Google Google+ Linked in reddit StumbleUpon Twitter Yahoo