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John M. Very Senior User Offline Posts: 179 Location: Tampa, Florida Joined: May 3^rd, 2017 Gender:	Re: H.R.2213 Reply #15 - May 25^th, 2017 at 11:35pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I did my part. I'd like to think I had something to do with it being shot down - who knows? More likely scenario is that the Polygraph Industrial Complex caught wind and slammed the door.

	HR_2213_letter_from_Bilirakis.pdf ( 264 KB \| Downloads ) "The polygraph examination is a supplement to, not a substitute for, other methods of investigation. No, unfavorable administrative action shall be taken based solely on its results." ~ DODI 5210.91.
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John M. Very Senior User Offline Posts: 179 Location: Tampa, Florida Joined: May 3^rd, 2017 Gender:	Re: H.R.2213 Reply #16 - May 31^st, 2017 at 7:51pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	At 1:34 this afternoon the House Leader indicated that this Bill will be legislated next week. http://docs.house.gov/floor/ Skopos now gives it a 10% chance of passing. What do you think its chances are? https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr2213

	"The polygraph examination is a supplement to, not a substitute for, other methods of investigation. No, unfavorable administrative action shall be taken based solely on its results." ~ DODI 5210.91.
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xenonman God Member Banned Offline May sarin, ricin, and variola major befall Langley Posts: 680 Location: WI USA Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: H.R.2213 Reply #17 - May 31^st, 2017 at 9:51pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	John M. wrote on May 31^st, 2017 at 7:51pm: Skopos now gives it a 10% chance of passing. What do you think its chances are? maybe 7.5% ! (unless someone tacks on an amendment to exempt the IC from its provisions)

	What do we call it when every employee of the Agency's Office of Security and Office of Personnel drowns in the Potomac? A great beginning! The best intelligence community employee is a compromised IC employee!
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John M. Very Senior User Offline Posts: 179 Location: Tampa, Florida Joined: May 3^rd, 2017 Gender:	Re: H.R.2213 Reply #18 - Jun 1^st, 2017 at 12:09pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	This Bill pertains specifically to the CBP. The debates on it will hopefully expose the insanity however. I hope to see my Congressman read my letter on the House Floor at some point. BTW, did you see the season finale of "The Americans" on FX this week? It further exposes the "Lie Behind the Polygraph".

	"The polygraph examination is a supplement to, not a substitute for, other methods of investigation. No, unfavorable administrative action shall be taken based solely on its results." ~ DODI 5210.91.
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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Online Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: H.R.2213 Reply #19 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 4:00pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	The House of Representatives is meeting to debate H.R. 2213 now. You can watch here: http://www.fednet.net/?p=67560

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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Online Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: H.R.2213 Reply #20 - Jun 8^th, 2017 at 11:07am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	H.R. 2213 passed by a wide margin (282-137) yesterday: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/336811-house-votes-to-allow-lie-dete...

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John M. Very Senior User Offline Posts: 179 Location: Tampa, Florida Joined: May 3^rd, 2017 Gender:	Re: H.R.2213 Reply #21 - Jun 8^th, 2017 at 9:55pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	George W. Maschke wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 11:07am: H.R. 2213 passed by a wide margin (282-137) yesterday: Unreal. It's astonishing how brazenly ignorant of the polygraph process our congresspersons are. Those that voted against this Bill (all democrats), did so because they don't want any more border enforcement. I sent tweets to all of them during the floor debates. I'm starting on my Senators now (Rubio & Nelson). I think this Bill will eventually pass - what do you think now George?

	"The polygraph examination is a supplement to, not a substitute for, other methods of investigation. No, unfavorable administrative action shall be taken based solely on its results." ~ DODI 5210.91.
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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Online Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: H.R.2213 Reply #22 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 6:57am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	John M. wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 9:55pm: I think this Bill will eventually pass - what do you think now George? I, too, expect it will eventually pass.

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Wandersmann Very Senior User Offline Posts: 228 Joined: Jun 2^nd, 2015	Re: H.R.2213 Reply #23 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 1:35pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	John M. wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 9:55pm: Unreal. It's astonishing how brazenly ignorant of the polygraph process our congresspersons are. I agree, but not surprised. I'm not sure if they are brazenly ignorant or just totally corrupt. I think it's that latter. I understand your opposition to this bill and agree with you completely. Could it be a good thing, however? It seems to me that the entire premise of this bill involves the fact that the polygraph doesn't work.


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John M. Very Senior User Offline Posts: 179 Location: Tampa, Florida Joined: May 3^rd, 2017 Gender:	Re: H.R.2213 Reply #24 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 9:48pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Wandersmann wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 1:35pm: Could it be a good thing, however? Yeah, only if that one brave man you keep talking about shows up. You should have seen the debates. All they (the dems) kept talking about was watering down the screening process. The fact that 60% of applicants are failing it, should be the freaking biggest red flag! DIA's failure rates from 2011-2015 reportedly ranged from 15% - 22%. The time has come to put a stop to this madness.

	"The polygraph examination is a supplement to, not a substitute for, other methods of investigation. No, unfavorable administrative action shall be taken based solely on its results." ~ DODI 5210.91.
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John M. Very Senior User Offline Posts: 179 Location: Tampa, Florida Joined: May 3^rd, 2017 Gender:	Re: H.R.2213 Reply #25 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 9:49pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	For the 2,000th time, answer the question!

	CARTOON.JPG ( 34 KB \| Downloads ) "The polygraph examination is a supplement to, not a substitute for, other methods of investigation. No, unfavorable administrative action shall be taken based solely on its results." ~ DODI 5210.91.
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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Online Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: H.R.2213 Reply #26 - Jul 14^th, 2017 at 8:28am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Senators Durbin and Duckworth have introduced a bill (S.1560) that would block H.R.2213 and expand polygraph screening to currently serving CBP employees as well as mandating polygraph screening for Immigration and Customs Enforcement: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/two-democratic-senators-want-to-block-house... https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1560/text?q=%7B%22searc...

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Ex Member God Member Offline Posts: 710 Joined: Dec 9^th, 2012	Re: H.R.2213 Reply #27 - Jul 14^th, 2017 at 2:51pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	George W. Maschke wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 8:28am: Senators Durbin and Duckworth have introduced a bill (S.1560) that would block H.R.2213 and expand polygraph screening There you go John M., Xeno and Wandersmann--reach out to these democrats and set them straight!


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xenonman God Member Banned Offline May sarin, ricin, and variola major befall Langley Posts: 680 Location: WI USA Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: H.R.2213 Reply #28 - Jul 14^th, 2017 at 8:26pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Ex Member wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 2:51pm: George W. Maschke wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 8:28am: Senators Durbin and Duckworth have introduced a bill (S.1560) that would block H.R.2213 and expand polygraph screening There you go John M., Xeno and Wandersmann--reach out to these democrats and set them straight! Democrats speak with forked tongue!

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Wandersmann Very Senior User Offline Posts: 228 Joined: Jun 2^nd, 2015	Re: H.R.2213 Reply #29 - Jul 14^th, 2017 at 9:15pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Ex Member wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 2:51pm: There you go John M., Xeno and Wandersmann--reach out to these democrats and set them straight! I'm glad they are going to expand polygraph screening. That is the only way it will go away. Pretty soon the number of victims will outnumber the number of people profiting from this system by 1000 to one. The more innocent victims, the sooner this thing comes to an end. If they made lawyers, judges, and Congressmen pass a polygraph to keep their jobs the whole thing would be gone tomorrow. Quickfix, just curious .......... would you have any problem disbarring an attorney, removing a Federal judge from the bench, or removing a Congressman from office for failing a polygraph?
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