Doug Williams wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2017 at 4:57am:


Does that mean that, say, a CIA employee could simply decline to be re-polygraphed during the course of employment at the Agency, without adverse personnel action being taken?

Keep fighting on from within the Federal Gulag -- it's the only way that the IC will ever be held accountable and the myth of the polygraph as a "scientific instrument" definitively smashed! 

Thanks for your support Mr. Williams.  I have read your story with great interest and admire your ability to take on the government’s pernicious use of the polygraph.

I have read George’s book – several times, but always steered clear of your advice on countering the polygraph.  I never had anything to hide and was afraid that I would get accused of trying to employ countermeasures – thus, end my career.  I always showed up on time and followed all their orders.  I was polygraphed and interrogated five times in three years.  The last four times, it ended with me having a nervous breakdown – the final time, I had to be counseled by two DIA psychologists.

The polygraph operators are evil, but this evil has now become institutionalized.   Way back in 1997, in his condemnation of the polygraph in the government, Dr. Drew Richardson tells the Senate Judiciary Committee that the polygraph examiners report to mid-level managers who are largely ignorant of polygraph matters. These mid-level managers in turn report to executives, who have real problems for which they seek needed solutions (e.g., the need to protect national security from the danger of espionage, and the need to hire employees with appropriate backgrounds). These executives are left unable to evaluate that polygraph is not a viable solution and do not comprehend that ignorance and misinformation are built into their own command structure.''

This policy is being carried out by DIA’s Office of Security.  A whole program has been established to catch the next Snowden.  It’s an all-out witch hunt.  If you work in this program, you better find some people and label them as threats, or miss out on promotions, bonuses, etc.

Like I said in my previous post, if we can get enough people to blow the whistle to the government about this devious policy, we’ll eventually get someone with enough authority and moral courage to make stand.   

I encourage everyone who has experienced adverse actions based solely on the results of the polygraph to file a whistle-blower complaint to the House Committee on Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs https://oversight.house.gov/subcommittee/full-committee/ - just click on the “Blow the Whistle” link at the top of the page – you can even file anonymously.

We need to educate the legislators.  I agree with you on Public Law 100-347.  The government has an exemption to administer the polygraph to its employees, but the way I read it, there are important restrictions on the use of those exemptions.  “Section 8, (a)(1), Except as provided in paragraph (2), the exemption under subsection (d) of section 7 shall not apply if an employee is discharged, disciplined, denied employment or promotion, or otherwise discriminated against in any manner on the basis of the analysis of a polygraph test chart or the refusal to take a polygraph test, without additional supporting evidence.”   

Or (2), “In the case of an exemption described in subsection (e) or (f) of such section, the exemption shall not apply if the results of an analysis of a polygraph test chart are used, or the refusal to take a polygraph test is used, as the sole basis upon which an adverse employment action described in paragraph (1) is taken against an employee or prospective employee.”

And there is another reference that applies directly to me, under rights of the examinee, Section 8 (b)(1)(D) “the examiner does not conduct the test if there is sufficient written evidence by a physician that the examinee is suffering from a medical or psychological condition or undergoing treatment that might cause abnormal responses during the actual testing phase.”

I’ve had my own three pronged attack Mr. Williams, and I’ve been executing it since June 2014.  I expect Judgement will come any day now – from Federal Judges.

xenonman wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2017 at 5:34am:


Whether that means what is says or not, it doesn't matter anyway unless they are held accountable for abiding to it.

You may ask yourself, why have regulations anyway?

xenonman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:


Sometimes the bigwigs do allow themselves to be polygraphed to set a positive example for the commoners that work below them.  They always pass.  Imagine that.

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Unfortunately, as I've observed numerous times, in American popular culture, there continues to be that aura of mystery and awe surrounding the polygraph.  It continues to be viewed as the automatic, ultimate arbitrator of guilt or innocence, mostly by those with no understanding of the "toy".  This is evidenced by the ubiquitous role played by the polygraph in true crime programs on TV and in true crime paperbacks.

Gowdy's latest advocacy of polygraph use is very reminiscent of Nixon's statements in favor of more use of the polygraph in government, as revealed in the White House tapes from Watergate days.   

Ex Member wrote on Feb 28^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:


Arkhangelsk - God member - Are you freaking kidding me?  Exactly what would, or wouldn't the testing results prove?

A possibility that someone may, or may not have done something?  The polygraph amounts to little more than an approved method to interrogate and threaten the crap out of innocent people.

According to the Law (and DOD regulations), the polygraph results alone may not be used as the sole basis to convict someone - so why else use it?  If everyone knew this going in, they would have to stop using the damn полиграф машина, right?

RISE UP PEOPLE!

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This might certainly foul up CIA recruitment processes.

Of course neither federal laws nor DOD regulations appear to apply very much in Langley!   

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John M.
I am not a revolutionary nor an activist. I am but a polymath standing in awe of the universe around me. I do share your concern for those who would use the polygraph as a prop to carry out an interrogation. But, you are wrong in your zeal to discount the entire field of forensic psychophysiology. It is indeed possible to detect memory using peripheral indices commonly measured with the polygraph, the P300 Event Related Potential as well as Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging. I suggest you do some research before embarrassing yourself with snarky comments.