A few days ago I had a background test and the tester said I failed because my breathing was off on the questions he told me to lie on.  He said he did the test 5 times and it was the same out come each time.  He said I was trying to cheat the test and shut it down, he was 100% sure I was doing this on purpose.   

They are going to give me another shot at the test.  I just want to know is this a tacit of theirs or what people think this is about?  Also if I keep failing because he "thinks" I'm cheating the test, do they just violate you for that?

Thanks

I run into breathing countermeasures a lot lately.  Irks the hell out of me when I see it.  Also, I have been noticing examinees pulling the whole, say "yes" to the directed lies.

STOP DOING THAT!!!!!!

We have dumbed down the test now to where you know where the controls are.  All you have to do is follow the examiners directions, stop playing footsie, be honest till it hurts, and stop playing games.  

Ethical examiners, want you to pass.  We are there to help the honest person do that.  Having said that, you have to do your part.  STOP WITH THE GAME PLAYING.  It insults the ethical examiner, and degrades you.  

Breathing countermeasures are easily detectable, because you people over do it.  Having said that, if you're hiding something, under doing it, won't help you either.  So I guess you are screwed either way.  Better option, is to go limp, take the hit, (so to speak) come clean, and take the test with a clear mind.  

That is the best advice I can give you on my end.  And before you go saying, he is "one of them,"you might want to check that.  I am the most hated examiners in the industry, not because I want to take the industry down, like some.  I am hated because I exposed some behaviors in Texas, that were not and are not, on the up and up, and tried to clean the industry up.

Why should you listen to me?  Because I am the only polygraph examiner EVER, to publicly state that I would sit for the test I sell people like you, and bet my future on the very public results.  Sadly, other examiners in Texas are not as confident with either their test, or their integrity.  

Bottom line, you should listen to me, because I am not asking you to do anything, I haven't offered to do myself.  While that might make me an idiot to some people, one thing it does not make me is a hypocrite.

Just for clarification

"Background test," is this a sexual history test you are talking about?

Just for clarification

"Background test," is this a sexual history test you are talking about? [/quote]

Most likely, he is referring to a BI, which includes inquiries into one's sexual proclivities, as well as a subject's credit worthiness, popularity, conformity, and chameleonship.

BTW, isn't the concept of an "ethical examiner" usually oxymoronic?   lol   

xenonman wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 5:37pm:


Most likely, he is referring to a BI, which includes inquiries into one's sexual proclivities, as well as a subject's credit worthiness, popularity, conformity, and chameleonship.

BTW, isn't the concept of an "ethical examiner" usually oxymoronic?   lol    [/quote]


There are some good people out there.  When I laid down my polygraph challenge to the Texas Charlatans (everyone knows who they are) I counted on the fact that there were ethical examiners who would run a fair test.   

They are out there.  Sadly, in Texas, the unethical examiners are running the roost.  Of all the examiners I have encountered here in Texas, I would trust only about 20 of them; and that is an optimistic number.  I know more examiners outside the state of Texas, that I would trust, put my future in their hands, than there are in Texas.  All of those examiners I trust have one thing in common, The NPA.   

I'd trust the guys in the Arizona Examiners Association also, they have great bylaws that hold examiners to our own test.

Someday, I would like to be able to say the same about TAPE; but that is no time soon.  Texas is a dangerous place to take a polygraph, with the people TAPE has running the show.   

One person and his office has a history of high inconclusive rates, that makes one wonder if they just suck at polygraph, or if they were double dipping clients.   
Personally, I think, of the two, it's a coin toss.   

The other one, lies and makes material misstatements on ethics complaints, and was involved in and hid unethical behavior of TAPES Ethics Committee and it's leadership.   

Yup, when the president in and Vive president of a "respected" lol, polygraph association have those two people leading the Klan..... I mean clan, I can see why you would think that the words, ethical, and polygraph examiner, don't go together.

NOTE, I use the term "Klan" to describe them, because, well, to this day, they still will not condemn the PROVEN racism that DID occur, in 2008, within their own association.   In fact in 2009, they denied it, and said it a statement in 2009, that if they know it existed in their organization, they would address it.  FACT, they knew, and their lawyer told them all, that the racism came from within their own before 2009.  lol.

They also denied it in 2014.   

Bottom line, if I were an examinee in Texas, I would be very worried about who is testing me, especially if I were of a certain, "ethnic persuasion."   

Also, if you are mistreated in a SOT test, you have no recourse to make a licensing complaint.  TDLR has no jurisdiction over sex offender testing.  A secret organization of the same private polygraph examiners, they state didn't trust with basic licensing runs that show.  Unfettered, and unchecked, with no State oversight.   

AND THAT IS THE GOD's HONEST TRUTH.   

SOT testing us not overseen by any licensing agency; there is no quality control; no enforcement to make sure tests fall in guidelines by State Licensing Officials; any enforcement there would be would be selective, and protective of certain people and would be used as a way to be anti competitive.   

The industry avoids, independent, government accountability and licensing, like the black plague.

SO yea, I guess I can see why you'd be confused by the two words examiner, and ethical together.   

In fact, I will probably be ridiculed, threatened with legal action, face an ethics complaint, and even have my life and safety threatened by saying some of this stuff.  (if I were to use the actions of the past of TAPE and it's flying monkeys, as an indicator as to what to expect in the future)

It's more simple to lie, and engage in a libel and slander campaign, than it is to fairly look at and address the truth.  If experience in Texas has taught me anything, it has taught me that.   

So if there are examinees from Texas that are looking at this; if you are in the exam room with one of these examiners, know your rights, don't let them intimidate or charm you.  Chances are, you are in the room with someone who either does not believe in the accuracy and reliability of their own test, or they are avoiding their own test, because the test would prove that the facts I lay out are the truth.   

Are you comfortable with giving these "trusted" examiners, $200.00 to $300 dollars to give you a "fair test when they can't even follow their own rules governing themselves;" or would you rather give $150 dollars to an examiners who has proven himself to ethical, by offering to take my own test to back up everything I been saying?   

Do you guys really want to spend $200 to $300 dollars with an examiner who has a history of 45% inconclusive, over someone who has a history of under 10% inconclusive over an over 10 year period of time, and under 10% a year, and will chafe you $150 for a better test, and more fair treatment?  And you all know which polygraph company I'm talking about there.   

Would you rather spend $200 to $300 dollars with an examiner who would, and has avoided sitting in the very chair, they expect to you to sit in to spend $220 to $300 dollars to pay for the pleasure?  Or would you rather spend $150 with an examiner who has nothing to hide and has offered to sit in the same chair I ask you to sit in?

Lastly, if your treatment provider demands that you go to one of these examiners, and not come to me or face consequences, ask yourself, why

I have the same training.  Same licensing

I have a history and reputation for being fair to you, the treatment provider and the PO.

I have a track record of better results.

I can say in most cases I have outperformed my detractors in almost every way.

I am more affordable.

And I do my tests by the book.   

No treatment provider can say I don't have the experience.   

The only reason anyone would want to keep you away from a fair, independent, and unbiased examiner, is because they want to keep you away from a fair, independent, and unbiased examiner.   

Bottom line, you can use charlatans that sell a product they either don't believe in, or want to avoid out of fear of being exposed for their unethical pasts

Or you can spend less money, which means more money for probation fees, get caught up with your provider, or put food on your table and gas in your tank; by using me.  An examiner who will tell you the truth; give you a fair independent, and unbiased test; and will not ask you to trust a test, that I wasn't willing to trust myself and my future on.   

Choice seems clear to me.

And if any of the Texas examiners does;t like what I said, or has the audacity to call me a liar, SUE ME.  I am so looking forward to the stuff I can't release becoming public record.   

Xeno, that is what it comes down to in this market.  Use the ONLY examiner who has ever been willing to put his ethics out there with a public test, the ethical Polygraph Examiner.  Or, use the examiners with a documented history of lying, threats, intimidation, bullying, and fear of the very test they sell.   

Polygraph Examiner vs. The Chart Rollers

Joe McCarthy wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 7:00am:


Is Fenian Polygraph Services the authorized vetter for  candidates for membership in the Ancient Order of Hibernians?   

Joe McCarthy wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 10:06am:


"Glory O, Glory O, to the Bold Fenian Men"   

Joe McCarthy wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 11:53am:


You might also consider using "Red Blossom Heather" -- one of my favorite Irish rebel tunes!   

Joe McCarthy wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 1:37am:


It's on YouTube (as are many hundreds of "Green" and "Orange" ballads!).  Very rousing tune!