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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Stephen E. Fienberg, R.I.P. Dec 17^th, 2016 at 12:12pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Dr. Stephen E. Fienberg, who headed the National Research Council's Committee to Review the Scientific Evidence on the Polygraph, died on Wednesday, 14 December 2016. He was 74 years old: https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2016/december/obituary-fienberg.html Fienberg's committee produced the landmark report, The Polygraph and Lie Detection (PDF), which advised against polygraph screening, concluding that "its accuracy in distinguishing actual or potential security violators from innocent test takers is insufficient to justify reliance on its use in employee security screening in federal agencies." As we note on the AntiPolygraph.org home page, Fienberg once quipped "Polygraph testing has been the gold standard, but it's obviously fool's gold." Alas, the foolishness of reliance on the pseudoscience of polygraphy is not so obvious to scientifically illiterate policy makers. Stephen Fienberg's wisdom will be missed.

	George W. Maschke I am generally available in the chat room from 3 AM to 3 PM Eastern time. Tel/SMS: 1-202-810-2105 (Please use Signal Private Messenger or WhatsApp to text or call.) E-mail/iMessage/FaceTime: antipolygraph.org@protonmail.com Wire: @ap_org Threema: A4PYDD5S Personal Statement: "Too Hot of a Potato"
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Ex Member God Member Offline Posts: 710 Joined: Dec 9^th, 2012	Re: Stephen E. Fienberg, R.I.P. Reply #1 - Dec 18^th, 2016 at 9:40pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	George W. Maschke wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 12:12pm: Alas, the foolishness of reliance on the pseudoscience of polygraphy is not so obvious to scientifically illiterate policy makers. Stephen Fienberg's wisdom will be missed. George, with The Donald coming into the Oval Office in just 32 days, it may be the opportunity. I see him as someone who could quickly see the folly of what's been transpiring all these years. You should try reaching out to his staff before the same ideas become entrenched in his administration. He's a rebel and could entertain alternatives.


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Dan Mangan God Member Offline Posts: 652 Joined: Jul 31^st, 2014	Re: Stephen E. Fienberg, R.I.P. Reply #2 - Dec 19^th, 2016 at 1:37am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Ex Member wrote on Dec 18^th, 2016 at 9:40pm: George, with The Donald coming into the Oval Office in just 32 days, it may be the opportunity. I see him as someone who could quickly see the folly of what's been transpiring all these years. You should try reaching out to his staff before the same ideas become entrenched in his administration. He's a rebel and could entertain alternatives. C'mon, Ark. Let's get real. Look at the military hawks and law-and-order types Trump is tapping for key positions. If anything, polygraph use is likely to expand -- not contract -- under Trump's administration.


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Ex Member God Member Offline Posts: 710 Joined: Dec 9^th, 2012	Re: Stephen E. Fienberg, R.I.P. Reply #3 - Dec 19^th, 2016 at 6:00am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Just because someone is a hawk, does not necessarily mean they will sign on to pseudoscience. By the way, your name is not George.


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Dan Mangan God Member Offline Posts: 652 Joined: Jul 31^st, 2014	Re: Stephen E. Fienberg, R.I.P. Reply #4 - Dec 19^th, 2016 at 12:21pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Given that Trump is a businessman with a keen appreciation for efficiency, I could see him going all in for EyeDetect.


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Stephen E. Fienberg, R.I.P. Reply #5 - Dec 19^th, 2016 at 1:10pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Ex Member wrote on Dec 18^th, 2016 at 9:40pm: George, with The Donald coming into the Oval Office in just 32 days, it may be the opportunity. I see him as someone who could quickly see the folly of what's been transpiring all these years. You should try reaching out to his staff before the same ideas become entrenched in his administration. He's a rebel and could entertain alternatives. Thank you for the suggestion, Arkhangelsk! Indeed, I am not aware that President-Elect Trump or any of his nominees have publicly expressed an opinion on polygraph policy. If anyone has contact information for any relevant members of the incoming administration, I would be grateful if you could privately let me know.

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Dan Mangan God Member Offline Posts: 652 Joined: Jul 31^st, 2014	Re: Stephen E. Fienberg, R.I.P. Reply #6 - Dec 19^th, 2016 at 7:00pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Considering Trump's history as a guest on Howard Stern's radio show, maybe he'll appoint Ed Torian as polygraph czar.


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Ex Member God Member Offline Posts: 710 Joined: Dec 9^th, 2012	Re: Stephen E. Fienberg, R.I.P. Reply #7 - Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 5:38pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	By the way, Merry Christmas everyone. For those of you fighting the futile war against Christmas, kindly take your "happy holidays" and insert it as far as you can into your rectum.


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Dan Mangan God Member Offline Posts: 652 Joined: Jul 31^st, 2014	Re: Stephen E. Fienberg, R.I.P. Reply #8 - Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 8:36pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	OK, Ark, we get it. But don't you think it's time for the APA to take God out of its polygraph seminars?


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Ex Member God Member Offline Posts: 710 Joined: Dec 9^th, 2012	Re: Stephen E. Fienberg, R.I.P. Reply #9 - Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 10:16pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Indeed yes. I suppose some clarification is in order on my previous post. In my family growing up, Christmas was not a secular holiday as such, but the focus was on family gatherings and good will to mankind. My Christmas is about Frosty the Snowman, Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer and Santa. Mangers and the like were peripheral and usually only for the "Spirit of Christmas." I cannot remember even one time going to church during the Christmas holiday period. But, it irks me when I am told discard parts of my culture. It would be akin to telling Mexicans to stop whacking piñatas because it's "violent." I love crushing political correctness. Going to get a refill on the rum and eggnog now.


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Joe McCarthy God Member Offline Tiocfaidh ár lá Posts: 526 Location: The Shroud of The Foggy Dew Joined: Mar 25^th, 2008 Gender:	Re: Stephen E. Fienberg, R.I.P. Reply #10 - Dec 24^th, 2016 at 12:07am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Trump is a lover of the good ole boy network when it comes to business, so he will give ear to the people with money. So, yea, best of luck

	Joe
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Dan Mangan God Member Offline Posts: 652 Joined: Jul 31^st, 2014	Re: Stephen E. Fienberg, R.I.P. Reply #11 - Dec 24^th, 2016 at 1:31am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	So...you voted for Hillary? Say it ain't so!


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Joe McCarthy God Member Offline Tiocfaidh ár lá Posts: 526 Location: The Shroud of The Foggy Dew Joined: Mar 25^th, 2008 Gender:	Re: Stephen E. Fienberg, R.I.P. Reply #12 - Dec 24^th, 2016 at 2:14am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I didn't vote for any of them. I said that before. I guess this is another example of either reading comprehension issues, or a selective memory. Hillary wouldn't have done anything either, she is a bigger protector of the good ole boys clubs than Trump. Moreover, America knows she can be bought. For the right price, that woman would eat her young, and then slap her momma in the mouth for a nickel

	Joe
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xenonman God Member Banned Offline May sarin, ricin, and variola major befall Langley Posts: 680 Location: WI USA Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Stephen E. Fienberg, R.I.P. Reply #13 - Dec 29^th, 2016 at 10:50am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Ex Member wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 5:38pm: By the way, Merry Christmas everyone. For those of you fighting the futile war against Christmas, kindly take your "happy holidays" and insert it as far as you can into your rectum. Happy Kwanza to you!

	What do we call it when every employee of the Agency's Office of Security and Office of Personnel drowns in the Potomac? A great beginning! The best intelligence community employee is a compromised IC employee!
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