Normal Topic Countermeasurements when? (Read 3810 times)
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box George
Guest


Countermeasurements when?
Dec 1st, 2016 at 8:17am
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  

Been reading the free book on the site, as well as browsed the forum, but I am still a little bit unsure of hwo to go about with the countermeasurements.

1. On the stim test I do use them?
2. On probably lies even if I am not lying - do I use them?
3. On any relevant questions, lying or being truthful, I do not use them?
4. Does it matter which kind of breathing I do blocking/breath slowly/bite tounge etc. 

Also, is it safer to use CMs to stress yourself or calm yourself?
Dont worry, Im not taking it any time soon haha.

Thank you
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box George
Guest


Re: Countermeasurements when?
Reply #1 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 8:21am
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  

Also, as I understood it you continue these CMs in between the questions, but I read now that its only the one time (for 8-12sec) you do it?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box George W. Maschke
Global Moderator
*****
Offline


Make-believe science yields
make-believe security.

Posts: 6230
Joined: Sep 29th, 2000
Re: Countermeasurements when?
Reply #2 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 3:51pm
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  
Quote:

Been reading the free book on the site, as well as browsed the forum, but I am still a little bit unsure of hwo to go about with the countermeasurements.

1. On the stim test I do use them?[ [quote]

This is addressed at p. 150 of the 4th edition of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector.

[quote]2. On probably lies even if I am not lying - do I use them?


Yes. Note that one should provide the expected answer to probable-lie "control" questions. It doesn't matter whether the answer is truthful or not.

Quote:
3. On any relevant questions, lying or being truthful, I do not use them?


Augmenting a reaction to a relevant question is likely to result in one's failing the polygraph.

Quote:
4. Does it matter which kind of breathing I do blocking/breath slowly/bite tounge etc.


Any of the scoreable breathing reactions enumerated in Chapter 4 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector (see p. 145 ff. of the 4th edition) are fine, and may be combined with mental countermeasures or tongue biting.

Quote:
Also, is it safer to use CMs to stress yourself or calm yourself?
Dont worry, Im not taking it any time soon haha.


It's difficult to prevent oneself from exhibiting a reaction to a question. On the other hand, it is trivially easy to produce a reaction to a question. The countermeasures documented in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector involve producing reactions to control questions. The only exception is the breathing channel, on which one can prevent reactions to relevant questions by maintaining one's baseline breathing pattern. See the subsection "What About the Relevant Questions?" at pp. 150-151 of the 4th edition.

Quote:
Also, as I understood it you continue these CMs in between the questions, but I read now that its only the one time (for 8-12sec) you do it?


I do not understand what you are asking here.
  

George W. Maschke
I am generally available in the chat room from 3 AM to 3 PM Eastern time.
Tel/SMS: 1-202-810-2105 (Please use Signal Private Messenger or WhatsApp to text or call.)
E-mail/iMessage/FaceTime: antipolygraph.org@protonmail.com
Wire: @ap_org
Threema: A4PYDD5S
Personal Statement: "Too Hot of a Potato"
Back to top
IP Logged
 
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box George
Guest


Re: Countermeasurements when?
Reply #3 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 6:51pm
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  
Thanks for your reply!
I meabt; Do I start the CMs right after my answer and continue them until the next question? 
But I just read to do them 5-15sec before the next question..
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box George W. Maschke
Global Moderator
*****
Offline


Make-believe science yields
make-believe security.

Posts: 6230
Joined: Sep 29th, 2000
Re: Countermeasurements when?
Reply #4 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 12:31pm
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  
One apply countermeasures upon clearly recognizing a "control" question for 5-15 seconds, and in any event, one should stop applying countermeasures before the asking of the next question. Reactions to "control" questions need to happen within about 5 seconds of their being asked in order to be scored.
  

George W. Maschke
I am generally available in the chat room from 3 AM to 3 PM Eastern time.
Tel/SMS: 1-202-810-2105 (Please use Signal Private Messenger or WhatsApp to text or call.)
E-mail/iMessage/FaceTime: antipolygraph.org@protonmail.com
Wire: @ap_org
Threema: A4PYDD5S
Personal Statement: "Too Hot of a Potato"
Back to top
IP Logged
 
Countermeasurements when?

Please type the characters that appear in the image. The characters must be typed in the same order, and they are case-sensitive.
Open Preview Preview

You can resize the textbox by dragging the right or bottom border.
Insert Hyperlink Insert FTP Link Insert Image Insert E-mail Insert Media Insert Table Insert Table Row Insert Table Column Insert Horizontal Rule Insert Teletype Insert Code Insert Quote Edited Superscript Subscript Insert List /me - my name Insert Marquee Insert Timestamp No Parse
Bold Italicized Underline Insert Strikethrough Highlight
                       
Change Text Color
Insert Preformatted Text Left Align Centered Right Align
resize_wb
resize_hb







Max 200000 characters. Remaining characters:
Text size: pt
More Smilies
View All Smilies
Collapse additional features Collapse/Expand additional features Smiley Wink Cheesy Grin Angry Sad Shocked Cool Huh Roll Eyes Tongue Embarrassed Lips Sealed Undecided Kiss Cry
Attachments More Attachments Allowed file types: txt doc docx ics psd pdf bmp jpe jpg jpeg gif png swf zip rar tar gz 7z odt ods mp3 mp4 wav avi mov 3gp html maff pgp gpg
Maximum Attachment size: 500000 KB
Attachment 1:
X