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Visitor Guest	U.S. Department of State Implements Polygraph Policy! Sep 30^th, 2016 at 9:42pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	We used to be able to say that the U.S. Department of State (DOS) was one agency that did not use polygraphs, however as of September 1, 2016, this is no longer the case. See the DOS policies here: https://fam.state.gov/fam/12fam/12fam0250.html The date in brown at the top of the page and under each section shows the date the policy was initiated. The black standard font means the policy is official, the purple italic font means some final approver has to click a button to make the policy official, but that is more of a formality because the policy has been finalized and already implemented. If you read through it, the polygraph is NOT used for pre-employment screening...yet. However, the polygraph can be used if you are under criminal investigation, if the department believes you have counterintelligence issues, if you are working with the Intelligence Community, or if you need to be part of some super-secret Special Access Program. Before this policy was created, employees could get TS clearance with SCI and SAP access without a polygraph. Now it looks like SCI and SAP may require the polygraph. The policy also describes the polygraph is detail about the pre-test, post-test, irrelevant questions, and the like. This is a sad day. Another federal agency has succumbed to using pseudo-science polygraphy.


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xenonman God Member Banned Offline May sarin, ricin, and variola major befall Langley Posts: 680 Location: WI USA Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: U.S. Department of State Implements Polygraph Policy! Reply #1 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 5:59am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: We used to be able to say that the U.S. Department of State (DOS) was one agency that did not use polygraphs, however as of September 1, 2016, this is no longer the case. Does this mean that everyone in INR will now have to be polygraphed? How about the Diplomatic Security Service?

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Savannah Isis New User Offline Panem et Circenses Posts: 6 Joined: Oct 11^th, 2015	Re: U.S. Department of State Implements Polygraph Policy! Reply #2 - Oct 15^th, 2016 at 3:28pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	From 12 FAM 251.4-3(D) Exculpation a. A polygraph examination may be authorized for the purpose of exculpation. The request for such examination may be initiated by an applicant, intern, employee, or contractor of a U.S. Government agency, who is the subject of a criminal, personnel security, or counterintelligence investigation. A DSS special agent or Department OIG investigator may also advise the prospective examinee that he or she has the option of undergoing an exculpatory polygraph examination, but may not obligate the Department to abide by the results of the examination. +++ So the examinee may undergo an exculpatory examination, but the agency is not obligated to abide by the results. Yet polygraph is supposed to "work". This is an admission it doesn't.


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Visitor Guest	Re: U.S. Department of State Implements Polygraph Policy! Reply #3 - Oct 16^th, 2016 at 12:44am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Well this is a losing situation for the employee. If the Department has the option to accept or reject the polygraph results no matter what the outcome, whether the employee passes or fails the Department does not mean anything if the Department is already out to end the career of the employee.


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xenonman God Member Banned Offline May sarin, ricin, and variola major befall Langley Posts: 680 Location: WI USA Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: U.S. Department of State Implements Polygraph Policy! Reply #4 - Oct 17^th, 2016 at 5:17pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	They're afraid of more Felix Bloch incidents!

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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: U.S. Department of State Implements Polygraph Policy! Reply #5 - Oct 17^th, 2016 at 5:58pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Felix Bloch was never charged with, let alone convicted of, espionage. But if he were a spy, the odds that the polygraph would have caught him are approximately zero.

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xenonman God Member Banned Offline May sarin, ricin, and variola major befall Langley Posts: 680 Location: WI USA Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: U.S. Department of State Implements Polygraph Policy! Reply #6 - Oct 29^th, 2016 at 4:43pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	George W. Maschke wrote on Oct 17^th, 2016 at 5:58pm: Felix Bloch was never charged with, let alone convicted of, espionage. But if he were a spy, the odds that the polygraph would have caught him are approximately zero. No, he was never even arrested because the investigation of him had deteriorated into a wild "media circus".

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xenonman God Member Banned Offline May sarin, ricin, and variola major befall Langley Posts: 680 Location: WI USA Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: U.S. Department of State Implements Polygraph Policy! Reply #7 - Nov 1^st, 2016 at 6:05pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	George W. Maschke wrote on Oct 17^th, 2016 at 5:58pm: Felix Bloch was never charged with, let alone convicted of, espionage. But if he were a spy, the odds that the polygraph would have caught him are approximately zero. Ironically, he was later convicted in NC of the much more mundane crime of shoplifting!

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xenonman God Member Banned Offline May sarin, ricin, and variola major befall Langley Posts: 680 Location: WI USA Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: U.S. Department of State Implements Polygraph Policy! Reply #8 - Nov 1^st, 2016 at 6:12pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: This is a sad day. Another federal agency has succumbed to using pseudo-science polygraphy. Time was when the FBI also did not routinely use the polygraph for employment screening purposes.

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