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ap1011 New User Offline Posts: 3 Joined: Jun 26^th, 2015 Gender:	OPM leak and implications for those that have taken the polygraph Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:02am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I'm sure some of you may have heard about the leak that happened where all federal employees information was compromised. What I'm wondering is if information that comes up during polygraph could have been included? Scattered castles is a different program, but if OPM conducted any investigation regarding past polygrphy results, those results could now be in the open internet tied to your name, SS number, and address. I failed the polygraph years ago for a 3 letter agency, similar story to some that you see on here. I don't want to go into specifics, but things I said were taken out of contest, twisted, and blown out of proportion. I got a job requiring a secret clearance a few years later, but there were issues with my clearance, and OPM conducted SPIN interviews regarding things said during my polygraph. It's bad enough having your career ruined with this bullshit, but to have the results and personal details that came up during the lifestyle polygraph posted on the internet for anyone to look up is horrible.


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: OPM leak and implications for those that have taken the polygraph Reply #1 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 6:15am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	ap1011 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:02am: I'm sure some of you may have heard about the leak that happened where all federal employees information was compromised. What I'm wondering is if information that comes up during polygraph could have been included? Yes, it could have. See "OPM Hack May Have Exposed Polygraph Information." Quote: Scattered castles is a different program, but if OPM conducted any investigation regarding past polygrphy results, those results could now be in the open internet tied to your name, SS number, and address. I failed the polygraph years ago for a 3 letter agency, similar story to some that you see on here. I don't want to go into specifics, but things I said were taken out of contest, twisted, and blown out of proportion. I got a job requiring a secret clearance a few years later, but there were issues with my clearance, and OPM conducted SPIN interviews regarding things said during my polygraph. It's bad enough having your career ruined with this bullshit, but to have the results and personal details that came up during the lifestyle polygraph posted on the internet for anyone to look up is horrible. I've seen no indication that any of the exfiltrated OPM data has been posted to the Internet for anyone to look up. Have you?

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ap1011 New User Offline Posts: 3 Joined: Jun 26^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: OPM leak and implications for those that have taken the polygraph Reply #2 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:16pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	George W. Maschke wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 6:15am: Yes, it could have. See "OPM Hack May Have Exposed Polygraph Information." Thanks I didn't see that other thread. Quote: I've seen no indication that any of the exfiltrated OPM data has been posted to the Internet for anyone to look up. Have you? I've heard rumors that I could be on the darknet (onions). I haven't looked around for it as I avoid going into any of those gray areas of the internet.


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: OPM leak and implications for those that have taken the polygraph Reply #3 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:27pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	ap1011 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:16pm: I've heard rumors that I could be on the darknet (onions). I haven't looked around for it as I avoid going into any of those gray areas of the internet. I've seen no reporting that any of the OPM data is available on any Tor hidden service.

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xenonman God Member Banned Offline May sarin, ricin, and variola major befall Langley Posts: 680 Location: WI USA Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: OPM leak and implications for those that have taken the polygraph Reply #4 - Jul 13^th, 2015 at 6:10pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	If actual identities of intelligence community "employees" have in fact been now compromised (by the Chinese or whoever), then I'd consider that a very positive development indeed! That's the only way in which outrages like "extraordinary rendition" will ever be stopped. Certainly neither Congress, nor the President, nor the courts will ever act to stop the practice!

	What do we call it when every employee of the Agency's Office of Security and Office of Personnel drowns in the Potomac? A great beginning! The best intelligence community employee is a compromised IC employee!
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phrend New User Offline Posts: 6 Joined: Sep 26^th, 2015	Re: OPM leak and implications for those that have taken the polygraph Reply #5 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:19pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	The stolen information will likely never be found on the Net or even darknet. The likely culprits are China's intelligence and security services. They're probably storing this info more competently than OPM. IMHO, the counterintel value of the stolen SF-86's dwarfs the value of info from poly admissions.


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Wandersmann Very Senior User Offline Posts: 228 Joined: Jun 2^nd, 2015	Re: OPM leak and implications for those that have taken the polygraph Reply #6 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 10:05pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	xenonman wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 6:10pm: That's the only way in which outrages like "extraordinary rendition" will ever be stopped. Certainly neither Congress, nor the President, nor the courts will ever act to stop the practice! Xenonman - What is "Extraordinary Rendition"?


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Wandersmann Very Senior User Offline Posts: 228 Joined: Jun 2^nd, 2015	Re: OPM leak and implications for those that have taken the polygraph Reply #7 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 5:40pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	xenonman wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 6:10pm: If actual identities of intelligence community "employees" have in fact been now compromised (by the Chinese or whoever), then I'd consider that a very positive development indeed! That's the only way in which outrages like "extraordinary rendition" will ever be stopped. Certainly neither Congress, nor the President, nor the courts will ever act to stop the practice! I have a question for anyone that can answer. Are there any statistics involving executive level officials, in any civilian or military agency, who lost a clearance or job due to failing a polygraph? I am wondering if statistical data would show adverse personnel actions due to polygraph ending at GS-15 level ? I know the new reality is that SES/Flag rank personnel are now royalty and everyone beneath them are commoners, but would statistical data support that as well ?


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xenonman God Member Banned Offline May sarin, ricin, and variola major befall Langley Posts: 680 Location: WI USA Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: OPM leak and implications for those that have taken the polygraph Reply #8 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 6:48am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Wandersmann wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 10:05pm: xenonman wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 6:10pm: That's the only way in which outrages like "extraordinary rendition" will ever be stopped. Certainly neither Congress, nor the President, nor the courts will ever act to stop the practice! Xenonman - What is "Extraordinary Rendition"? The practice of the kidnapping and/or abduction of individuals (often completely innocent persons) who are then flown in secrecy to clandestine locations in third countries (believed to be Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Poland and Romania, among others) to be subjected to torture to a degree not permitted by US law. Not surprisingly, the "fearless warriors" of the CIA are the principal personnel involved in the odious process.
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	What do we call it when every employee of the Agency's Office of Security and Office of Personnel drowns in the Potomac? A great beginning! The best intelligence community employee is a compromised IC employee!
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xenonman God Member Banned Offline May sarin, ricin, and variola major befall Langley Posts: 680 Location: WI USA Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: OPM leak and implications for those that have taken the polygraph Reply #9 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 6:51am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Wandersmann wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 5:40pm: xenonman wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 6:10pm: If actual identities of intelligence community "employees" have in fact been now compromised (by the Chinese or whoever), then I'd consider that a very positive development indeed! That's the only way in which outrages like "extraordinary rendition" will ever be stopped. Certainly neither Congress, nor the President, nor the courts will ever act to stop the practice! I have a question for anyone that can answer. Are there any statistics involving executive level officials, in any civilian or military agency, who lost a clearance or job due to failing a polygraph? I am wondering if statistical data would show adverse personnel actions due to polygraph ending at GS-15 level ? I know the new reality is that SES/Flag rank personnel are now royalty and everyone beneath them are commoners, but would statistical data support that as well ? Well I know one fact for certain: Neither the DCI nor the DDCI are required to undergo the polygraph agony!

	What do we call it when every employee of the Agency's Office of Security and Office of Personnel drowns in the Potomac? A great beginning! The best intelligence community employee is a compromised IC employee!
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xenonman God Member Banned Offline May sarin, ricin, and variola major befall Langley Posts: 680 Location: WI USA Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: OPM leak and implications for those that have taken the polygraph Reply #10 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 6:55am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I doubt very much that the Chinese security services would ever want to post that type of information on the Internet! I'm sure that they'd much more likely want to keep it secret for their own uses.

	What do we call it when every employee of the Agency's Office of Security and Office of Personnel drowns in the Potomac? A great beginning! The best intelligence community employee is a compromised IC employee!
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xenonman God Member Banned Offline May sarin, ricin, and variola major befall Langley Posts: 680 Location: WI USA Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: OPM leak and implications for those that have taken the polygraph Reply #11 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 6:58am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I read recently that the Agency pulled numerous employees from its Beijing station recently, because of fear of what the Chinese hackers may have learned.

	What do we call it when every employee of the Agency's Office of Security and Office of Personnel drowns in the Potomac? A great beginning! The best intelligence community employee is a compromised IC employee!
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