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Re: CIA Clearance Denial Appeal Length
Reply #30 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 6:23pm
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It takes 2 years. And your appeal will be denied.  You'll be given one more chance to appeal to someone higher up, and that appeal will also be denied.  At that point the letter they send you will say something like "this is our final correspondence with you".

I wonder what would happen if, attached to the appeal, were a polygraph report, with charts from a qualified and recognized polygrapher, disputing the previous results?


I'd say that you'd just be wasting your efforts and $$$ !  Believe me, speaking from experience, the whole CIA application process (including, but not limited to the polygraph) just ain't worth wasting time dealing with! Sad
  

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Re: CIA Clearance Denial Appeal Length
Reply #31 - Apr 28th, 2016 at 9:20am
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The security clearance process contains several steps, check Wikipedia for details, but the order of those steps may vary.  It will not start until you get a job offer, or a conditional job offer of employment
(COE).  Most government agencies like the CIA will first give you an interview with your prospective office and then issue a COE if the office likes you.  Then the security folks will step in and the polygraph is first, along with psych, medical, and drug testing, all over a 3 day period.  If you fail the poly, they don't even bother with the rest of the security clearance process.  You are rejected right there, COE rescinded, game over.  It is cheaper to polygraph applicants than to run the top secret background check. I hear the NSA may do the poly and background check concurrently.

If you apply for another job that requires a clearance, one of two things may happen.  They may have you fill out a pre-clearance survey as part of your initial job application to assure them you can get a clearance.  That survey may include a question like "have you ever had a security clearance/access revoked, suspended, or denied"?  You are to answer truthfully, and when you answer "yes", they will toss your application in the garbage.  No chance to explain yourself.  They want a candidate with no issues so they don't waste time and money on trying to clear someone who may not get cleared.

Or, they may interview you and hire you and make you sign a form that says you must get a security clearance within the first year on the job or your employment can be terminated.  So if you get hired, and you never get your clearance, and the security folks see that Incident Report (IR) from OGA in your file, they will ask you "What is taking so long? Is there something you wish to tell us about this IR".  After you explain yourself and the company/agency gets tired of waiting on your clearance to be adjudicated after a year, you are fired.  But at least you got a paycheck for a year!

An IR in your clearance file, whether from a failed polygraph or an arrest, when you are not currently employed with a job that needs a clearance, is a big red flag.  You are in a tough situation.  The IR cannot be adjudicated until some company/agency sponsors you for a job-needed clearance.  However, the catch is that not many companies/agencies want to waste money on sponsoring a prospective employee for a clearance who has an IR in his/her file because the company/agency does not know how severe that IR is or how long it will take to resolve!  You are now a reject in the national security community.  You are a red-headed-bastard-gay-stepchild that nobody wants.

You'll just have to seek and find one of the select few agencies/companies who will hire you and sponsor you for a clearance, despite the IR that the CIA put in your file because of the stupid polygraph.


Another point to be aware of:  If  an applicant has ever lived or studied abroad, the Agency will have its valiant "stations" in the foreign country in which the applicant resided check their "criminal, security, and counterintelligence" files for any derogatory references concerning that applicant.   
This I know from actual experience. Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #32 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 5:35pm
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Well I'm still waiting for my day in court....yes now going on 2 years here soon.  Yes I hired a lawyer who specializes in this and going through the hoops there.  But after reading things here I wonder if it's really worth all the treasure and time.  Yes I had the 4 hr in a small room with 2 people working me  over.  One which was called a scribe (More likely trainee) ....what's worse is they started to interrogate me on the phone before even coming in.  All this from a miss date on the form to begin with.  I like how they went out of the room several times and I said Hi to the camera.....I knew they were watching.  Any ways ...after having one poly and then quickly getting another...yes they made me wait the entire weekend I didn't pass.....I got the good cop and I knew I would get the broom Hilda bad one the next....the only thing I regret is I didn't get to say how much I wanted to shove the polygraph machine up her ass!!!  So do I continue with this show court or ditch it....and I've been told by my lawyer that I would be denied no matter what job I went for unless I had this "Come to Jesus" moment.....Oh and by the way...I'm sure they are looking at everything on here.
  
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From my experience, I'd say that you would indeed be wasting your time and money.  The CIA is a law unto itself when it comes to personnel and security matters.  Even if you have, in fact, "survived" the polygraph (which you'll never be able to find out one way or another), there is then the obstacle course (or Russian roulette) of the lifestyle BI.  Once a derogatory decision has been made with respect to your application, you are unlikely to be reconsidered for employment until after your 120th birthday. Grin
  

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Reply #34 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 6:12pm
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It is 1/22/2016, and I still haven't heard back from the agency yet. I received the letter they stating they received my response to SOR on 1/2014. I was denied a clearance in 10/2013.
                   


Have you tried writing your Congressman ?



That would be just another waste of time.  (Been there, done that) Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #35 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 6:14pm
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wonder what would happen if, attached to the appeal, were a polygraph report, with charts from a qualified and recognized polygrapher, disputing the previous results?



You would have just wasted a lot of your money for nothing! Grin
  

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Reply #36 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 6:17pm
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What a revoltin' development this is!"


Try scanning your resume to:  info@svr.gov.ru    Grin
  

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Reply #37 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 10:34pm
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2 to 3 more months and it will have been 3 years since my clearance denial and appeal. The CIA not only wrongfully accused me of wrongdoing for which I am innocent, but they violated my security clearance due process rights of right to a reasonable timely process. I don't expect to hear back from them at all. The CIA is filled with so much fear of We the people, that they need to resort bullying, unlawful interrogation and violation of due process to feel safe and hide their secrets.
  
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Reply #38 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 10:49pm
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That is an unusually long time.  The CIA probably won't move any faster  unless you get a lawyer, which would be expensive, and may or may not be worth it since most CIA appeals are just denied again anyway.  This is strange.  I wonder how long other polygraph victims of the CIA had to wait on their appeals lately.
  
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ptrckhsu wrote on Sep 20th, 2016 at 10:34pm:
violated my security clearance due process rights of right to a reasonable timely process. I don't expect to hear back from them at all. The CIA is filled with so much fear of W


When I was naive enough to apply to the CIA for their summer internship program, back in 1979, one of their application papers stated that "employment by the Agency is not a right upon which anyone can insist".

I think that pretty well sums it all up.  I don't know if their current application materials contain that statement, but I would think that attitude still prevails among the jerks at the Offices of Personnel and Security.
Don't waste your time and money dealing with such idiotic jerks! Shocked
  

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Reply #40 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 4:03am
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ptrckhsu wrote on Sep 20th, 2016 at 10:34pm:
2 to 3 more months and it will have been 3 years since my clearance denial and appeal. The CIA not only wrongfully accused me of wrongdoing for which I am innocent, but they violated my security clearance due process rights of right to a reasonable timely process. I don't expect to hear back from them at all. The CIA is filled with so much fear of We the people, that they need to resort bullying, unlawful interrogation and violation of due process to feel safe and hide their secrets.


Of course -- that is exactly what keeps the CIA held in such awe by the naive American public. Sad
  

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Reply #41 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 11:37am
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I had a feeling the appealing to the CIA might be a waste of time.  I was told by my lawyer if it was the NSA...he said NO WAY....But because the CIA deals with people OK.....Then he got my files from the agency and when he read one part he was like "were fucked"  and then came up with the only way out is for you to have this come to Jesus moment and I think he was basically telling me when the current job I had with a clearance he told me  you might want to start working else where was a big Que.  Just that my father worked for the bastards in the past and it's more of a thing for him that I clear my name.  I told him I would NEVER work for those people ever and the look of sadness on his face I'll never forget.  My question is if I pull the plug on this appeal stuff what do I do in the future when someone says have you been denied a clearance and you say yes.  I expect never to apply ever again for any clearance job with the Agency blacklist on you...even DoD or some other 3 letter agency.  Or even better...move out of the hypocritical DC area and start over.
  
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Reply #42 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 2:38pm
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Hey buddy, don't fret. You will not win your CIA appeal, stop waiting and move on.  You may be blacklisted from the CIA, but that's only the CIA! You can still get clearance from another agency. I know people that have done it. If another agency sees your file and asks about the illegal porn, as you mentioned earlier in this thread, just tell them it is not true and you were tricked and coerced into that false confession.  The silly polygraph game is getting exposed for what it is and security clearance folks know that it is by no means accurate. So yes, you can still get another security clearance. The CIA is in a world of their own.  They don't even use the online e-Qip for the SF86 form because they are scared of OPM hacks. They make applicants fill out the SF86 by hand, mail it in, so some data entry secretary at CIA can enter your clearance info into their own internal system that isn't connected to the internet.



  
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Reply #43 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 6:19pm
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I expect never to apply ever again for any clearance job with the Agency blacklist on you...even DoD or some other 3 letter agency.  Or even better...move out of the hypocritical DC area and start over.


Yes, the fact that the CIA is a law unto itself works very much to your benefit when applying to other federal agencies, since the Agency doesn't give a damn about what other "three-letter" bodies you contact.  A clearance from another agency don't get you into Langley for a visit anyway.

Actually moving from the DC area isn't that bad an idea at all.   It will be so much less expensive elsewhere, and you'll avoid having to travel long distances to get anywhere!  A clearance from another agency won't admit you to Langley in any case Smiley
  

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Reply #44 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 6:26pm
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So yes, you can still get another security clearance. The CIA is in a world of their own.  They don't even use the online e-Qip f


Yes, exactly.  The fact that they are off in their own little cloud will be beneficial to you when applying to other agencies.  The Agency doesn't give a damn, since a security clearance from another three-letter racket don't mean sh*t to the nice folks in Langley. Grin
  

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