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Wandersmann Guest	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #90 - May 15^th, 2015 at 4:22pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Joe McCarthy wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 2:21am: If polygraph weren't here, you guys would just have something else to flip over.This is the human condition. Joe - I am a victim of the polygraph although I have survived better than many victims. I am a retired Federal Agent. My story is too long to tell here except that I am a double victim, the polygraph helped kill my father in 1986 and took food off of my table in 2012. I despise the current use of the polygraph by parts of our government that are every bit as evil as anything that existed in Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia. I am encouraged by a handful of polygraphers like you and Dan Mangan who have the moral courage to admit the shortcomings of the "box" and I am certain use the instrument as a tool and not a panacea of the truth like many of the misguided fools that are coming into your profession. I blame self-serving moral cowards like the heads of many of our civilian and military agencies (SES and Flag rank) who stand-by as innocent people are ruined while they themselves pretend to expose themselves to the negative side of the polygraph when, in fact, they are immune from any negative consequences. As to your statement above marked and quoted above, I disagree. To me the polygraph holds a place in American history next to the burning of witches in Salem and slavery. I have seen people who are not only innocent, but also include war heroes and the most honorable of our society, falsely labeled as traitors and criminals and I think this is the greatest evil in our society right now. Any polygraph examiner who would allow an innocent person to be falsely labeled and suffer consequences from being falsely labeled is the lowest form of life in the planet. Ruining innocent people for self-gain, there is nothing worse.


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quickfix Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 368 Joined: Jan 15^th, 2006	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #91 - May 15^th, 2015 at 6:06pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Joe McCarthy wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 10:54pm: I truly hope this assclown is not an examiner.making light of and even insinuating that one would take pleasure in seeing someone kill themselves, especially someone they don't even know or has done nothing to them, is one sick and sad human being. Joe: I don't think the question was meant as a joke. Given his former profession, he is a likely candidate as the guest of honor at a shank party. In fact, my connections at El Reno FCI (where Doug will most likely do his time) have told me Doug's guilty plea made the local tv news. They know who he is and what he was (ex-cop). In the inmate pecking order, ex-cops are treated the same as child molesters. They are the highest percentage of inmates killed in prison, for obvious reasons. I give him a month before he winds up in the infirmary or the morgue. Either way, I will shed not a tear for him.


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Doug Williams Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 284 Joined: Feb 15^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #92 - May 15^th, 2015 at 7:20pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	quickfix wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 6:06pm: Joe McCarthy wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 10:54pm: I truly hope this assclown is not an examiner.making light of and even insinuating that one would take pleasure in seeing someone kill themselves, especially someone they don't even know or has done nothing to them, is one sick and sad human being. Joe: I don't think the question was meant as a joke. Given his former profession, he is a likely candidate as the guest of honor at a shank party. In fact, my connections at El Reno FCI (where Doug will most likely do his time) have told me Doug's guilty plea made the local tv news. They know who he is and what he was (ex-cop). In the inmate pecking order, ex-cops are treated the same as child molesters. They are the highest percentage of inmates killed in prison, for obvious reasons. I give him a month before he winds up in the infirmary or the morgue. Either way, I will shed not a tear for him. I'm wondering if anyone, including Quickfix, really believes that an attack on me in prison is a real possibility - or is this just being said to try to scare me.

	I have been fighting the thugs and charlatans in the polygraph industry for forty years. I tell about my crusade against the insidious Orwellian polygraph industry in my book FALSE CONFESSIONS - THE TRUE STORY OF DOUG WILLIAMS' CRUSADE AGAINST THE ORWELLIAN POLYGRAPH INDUSTRY. Please visit my website POLYGRAPH.COM and follow me on TWITTER @DougWilliams_PG Doug Williams
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Ex Member God Member Offline Posts: 710 Joined: Dec 9^th, 2012	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #93 - May 15^th, 2015 at 7:30pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Doug, Quickfix is an inept buffoon; a poor tax payer investment. Pay no attention to what he says. If you are threatened, all you have to do is demand protection; you can sue them if they don't comply. I can understand the extreme pressure you were under. You need to keep your mind and body strong to endure your upcoming ordeal. I suggest you start working out. You will survive what is to come and you can come back to the fight. The human spirit is very resilient.


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quickfix Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 368 Joined: Jan 15^th, 2006	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #94 - May 15^th, 2015 at 7:51pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	inept buffoon who is not going to prison! As for Dougy, if you are scared, you should be. Guys like you are what violent inmates use to earn their reputation. I'd like to hear from you as to why you pleaded guilty; or are you saving that for your next book, "From Cop to Convict".


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #95 - May 15^th, 2015 at 8:00pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	On the evening of 13 May 2015, following Doug Williams' decision to plead guilty, the U.S. Department of Justice issued the following press release: Quote: http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/owner-polygraphcom-pleads-guilty-training-customer... Department of Justice Office of Public Affairs FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Wednesday, May 13, 2015 Owner of ‘Polygraph.Com’ Pleads Guilty to Training Customers to Lie During Federally Administered Polygraph Examinations A former Oklahoma City law enforcement officer and owner of “Polygraph.com” pleaded guilty today to obstruction of justice and mail fraud for training customers to lie and conceal crimes during polygraph examinations. Assistant Attorney General Leslie R. Caldwell of the Justice Department’s Criminal Division, Acting Assistant Commissioner Anthony Triplett of U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s Office of Internal Affairs and Special Agent in Charge James E. Finch of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s (FBI) Oklahoma City Field Office made the announcement. “Lying, deception and fraud cannot be allowed to influence the hiring of national security and law enforcement officials, particularly when it might affect the security of our borders,” said Assistant Attorney General Caldwell. “Today’s conviction sends a message that we pursue those who attempt to corrupt law enforcement wherever and however they may try to do so.” Douglas Williams, 69, of Norman, Oklahoma, pleaded guilty to a five-count indictment charging him with mail fraud and obstruction. Williams was indicted on Nov. 14, 2014, in the Western District of Oklahoma. According to admissions made in connection with his plea, Williams, the owner and operator of “Polygraph.com,” marketed his training services to people appearing for polygraph examinations before federal, state and local law enforcement agencies and federal intelligence agencies, as well as people required to take polygraph examinations under the terms of their parole or probation. Williams further admitted that he trained an individual posing as a federal law enforcement officer to lie and conceal involvement in criminal activity from an internal agency investigation. Williams also admitted to having trained a second individual posing as an applicant seeking federal employment to lie and conceal crimes in a pre-employment polygraph examination. Williams, who was paid for both training sessions, admitted to having instructed the individuals to deny having received his polygraph training. The investigation is being investigated by U.S. Custom and Border Protection’s Office of Internal Affairs and the FBI’s Oklahoma City Field Office. The case is being prosecuted by Trial Attorneys Heidi Boutros Gesch and Brian K. Kidd of the Criminal Division’s Public Integrity Section. 15-610 Criminal Division Updated May 13, 2015 I was struck by Assistant Attorney General Leslie R. Caldwell's avowal--with no intended irony--that "lying, deception and fraud cannot be allowed to influence the hiring of national security and law enforcement officials" because the federal government does indeed allow lying, deception, and fraud to influence the hiring process of national security and law enforcement officials through its misplaced reliance on polygraphy, a pseudoscientific ritual that, as Dr. Drew Richardson has explained, depends in fundamental ways on lying, deception, and fraud by the polygraph operator. In every polygraph examination, at least one person is lying: the polygraph operator himself!

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Drew Richardson Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 427 Joined: Sep 7^th, 2001	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #96 - May 15^th, 2015 at 8:26pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Doug, Regardless of whether Quickfix believes what he has said, he, in his bumbling attempt to ridicule and harass you in a difficult time, may have done you a favor. I would make known to the individual responsible for your pre-sentencing report that an individual who has represented himself as a federal polygraph examiner over several years has in the last day stated several times now that he believes you are in imminent danger of assault if and when imprisoned. I am sure that his identity can be made forthcoming should it be needed. He may well, in his tasteless diatribes to you and regarding you, have offered you a way to better circumstances than you might have had absent his comments...


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Wandersmann Guest	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #97 - May 15^th, 2015 at 8:56pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Drew Richardson wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:26pm: I am sure that his identity can be made forthcoming should it be needed. I'm pretty certain Quickfix could have some trouble if his identity is revealed. As a former GS-10,11,12,13, and 14, I am pretty certain his Office of Professional Responsibility or Internal Affairs would not approve of his conduct/demeanor on this site. Keep talking Quickfix !


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quickfix Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 368 Joined: Jan 15^th, 2006	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #98 - May 15^th, 2015 at 9:07pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I intend to, using the same First Amendment rights you have.


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Uncle Jed Guest	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #99 - May 15^th, 2015 at 9:37pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Any ideas as to why Doug Williams plead guilty to all counts vs. a plea bargain. Chad Dixon seemed to have gotten a light sentence for the exact same crimes, but did only 9 months. Williams is reported to be facing 100 years max, or 20 if each count is served concurrently. Williams appeared to have a competent well known Attorney, and the Jury a cross section of the community. Was Williams denied a particular planned defense ? Why would a defense Attorney TELL his client to plead guilty ?


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Wandersmann Guest	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #100 - May 15^th, 2015 at 9:58pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	quickfix wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 9:07pm: I intend to, using the same First Amendment rights you have. You're First Amendment Rights might keep you out of jail, but they won't keep you from getting fired..... or time on the bricks.


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Wandersmann Guest	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #101 - May 15^th, 2015 at 10:55pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	quickfix wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 9:07pm: I intend to, using the same First Amendment rights you have. By the way Quickfix, forgot to ask...are those the same First Amendment rights that people have who purchased Doug Williams' books and services ? Maybe you can organize a book burning now that Williams has plead guilty.


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Uncle Jed Guest	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #102 - May 16^th, 2015 at 3:30am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Doug, Prison is a unique culture. The ratio of guards to prisoners can range from 20 to 1, to as much as 40 to 1 on any given shift. It varies from facility to faculty. I don't think anyone you put behind bars years ago in State prison would necessarily be in Federal prison now. Those would be the main ones you should / would be concerned about. Otherwise, you might be put in a segregated wing of other former officials, or cooperating witnesses with the government vs. the hard core Aryan nation or Black Panther types, etc. Convictions like yours come into one's life in stages. First the shock and awe of it via disbelief. Second, Anger at the system. Third, Sadness in the change of lifestyle, or lack of a full life. Fourth, acceptance; and an adjustment to lack of a challenge in life and a regimented daily routine. You won't have much to brag about compared to others you will meet, and will have to find things to do to occupy your mind to get through the day. At least you will have visitation for good time served, and conjugal visits (If that still matters at 69).


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quickfix Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 368 Joined: Jan 15^th, 2006	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #103 - May 16^th, 2015 at 12:05pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: Maybe you can organize a book burningnow that Williams has plead guilty. Better yet, I'm writing my own book for the prison-bound. It will contain useful tips on: how to kill a man with a lunch tray how to cut through bars with dental floss make your own shank and save But wait, there's more! Order now and receive my bonus DVD: How to become a Successful Prison Snitch. I need a title. Any suggestions?


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Dan Mangan God Member Offline Posts: 652 Joined: Jul 31^st, 2014	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #104 - May 16^th, 2015 at 1:05pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Having worked in a prison for over five years, I don't think Doug will find it to be quite the hellhole that many take delight in describing. Yes, it will be a miserable existence compared to life on the outside, but it wont be Dante's Inferno either. I fully expect some of the correctional officers -- "screws" in prison parlance -- who aspire to loftier positions in various agencies to take a very keen interest in how Doug can advise them (legally, of course) about the polygraph process. That goes double for select inmates. Such tutelage has value, which could turn out to be huge in Doug's case. In a prison setting, even things of seemingly sparse value on the outside are frequently worth something substantial on the inside Of the hundreds of inmates I interviewed over the five years I worked behind the walls, perhaps the key takeaway message in terms of prison survival is this very simple one: Mind your own business. Daniel Mangan, M.A. Full Member, American Polygraph Association Certified PCSOT Examiner www.polygraphman.com


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