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Re: Doug Williams of Polygraph.com Indicted
Reply #45 - Dec 28th, 2014 at 12:17pm
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Two new filings in U.S. v. Doug Williams are available for download from AntiPolygraph.org:
  • Protective Order dated 19 December 2014 granting U.S. Department of Justice request for a protective order restricting distribution of discovery materials;
  • Defendant's Motion for Continuance dated 24 December 2014. This request by Doug Williams' attorney, Stephen H. Buzin, seeks continuance of the trial date to the June 2015 docket.
  

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U.S. v. Doug Williams Moved to April 2015 Docket
Reply #46 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 3:39am
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Two new filings in U.S. v. Doug Williams are available for download from AntiPolygraph.org:
  

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U.S. v. Doug Williams Moved to May 2015 Docket
Reply #47 - Apr 11th, 2015 at 5:51am
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Two new filings in U.S. v. Doug Williams are available for download from AntiPolygraph.org:
  • Defendant's Unopposed Motion for Continuance dated 18 March 2015, requesting continuance to "the next 2015 trial docket," citing, among other things, the receipt on 2 March 2015 of an additional 425 pages of discovery material from the U.S. Government, and noting that on 16 March 2015, "counsel for Defendant was advised by counsel for the United States of America a third discovery disclosure would be produced in the coming weeks.";
  • Order dated 25 March 2015. Case is moved to the May 2015 docket.
  

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Re: Doug Williams of Polygraph.com Indicted
Reply #48 - Apr 13th, 2015 at 6:11pm
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This is Gavin McInnis on the FOX NEWS CHANNEL program REDEYE talking about my upcoming trial and the abuse of power by the government in charging me.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/video-embed.html?video_id=4170436226001
  

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Doug Williams Trial Update
Reply #49 - Apr 28th, 2015 at 10:46am
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Doug Williams' trial for teaching two undercover federal agents how to pass polygraph "tests" is scheduled to begin two weeks from today, on the morning of Tuesday, 12 May 2015.

I am planning to attend the trial and to post daily updates on developments to AntiPolygraph.org. While in Oklahoma City, I'll be happy to meet with any of our readers who may also be in town, and to speak on the record about polygraph matters with any journalists covering the trial.
  

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Doug Williams to Be Interviewed on The Scott Horton Show Today
Reply #50 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 3:57pm
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Doug Williams will be interviewed today on The Scott Horton Show, which will be broadcast live online beginning at 12:00 PM Eastern time. I understand that Williams' interview is to begin at 13:30 Eastern:

http://scotthorton.org/listen/

Update: Here is a direct link to the livestream:

http://lrn.fm/listen/online/
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Doug Williams' Interview with Scott Horton Published Online
Reply #51 - May 2nd, 2015 at 8:18pm
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Scott Horton's interview of Doug Williams is now available online and may be listened to here:

http://scotthorton.org/interviews/2015/04/30/43015-doug-williams/
  

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Oklahoma Skeptics in the Pub on Polygraphs
Reply #52 - May 3rd, 2015 at 6:04am
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On the night before the trial of Doug Williams for teaching two undercover agents how to pass a polygraph "test" I'll be at the Oklahoma Skeptics in the Pub meetup to talk about polygraphy and Operation Lie Busters (Monday, 11 May from 7-9 PM Central). All are welcome:

http://www.meetup.com/okskeptics/events/221268789/#event-comments-section

  

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New Documents Filed in U.S. v. Doug Williams
Reply #53 - May 5th, 2015 at 9:41am
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New documents were filed in U.S. v. Doug Williams yesterday:

  • United States' Proposed Jury Instructions (link fixed) dated 4 May 2015. Among other things, the prosecution wishes the judge to instruct the jury that "[a]n internal investigation conducted by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security into the possible commission of a federal offense" and "[a] pre-employment suitability determination and security background investigation conducted by U.S. Customs and Border Protection" qualify as official proceedings within the meaning of 18 U.S.C. 1512(b) (Witness Tampering).
     
  • United States' Requested Voir Dire Questions dated 4 May 2015. The prosecution wishes to identify (and presumably eliminate) any potential jurors who have taken a polygraph "test" before, or who have a family member who has done so, or who have concerns about the use of polygraph examinations.
     
  • Trial Brief of United States dated 4 May 2015. Prosecution seeks to exclude any evidence or argument regarding the reliability of polygraph examinations, entrapment, or the defendant's prior good acts or lack of a criminal record.
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Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread
Reply #54 - May 5th, 2015 at 1:01pm
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I am going to respond to this thread because it is sad to see George Maschke talking to himself.  I listened to the Scott Horton interview, and I could not have said it better.  Doug Williams is right on point with everything he said.  Why are the prosecutors trying to suppress Doug's clean record, good deeds, and eliminate anyone from the jury that knows about the polygraph?  The secret is getting out about this machine.  The polygraph is garbage.  I first took it and failed because I was nervous and did not know what to expect.  Then I did my research, came in prepared, and passed my federal polys with ease, all while hiding my dirty laundry.  I'm still employed there today and have a high security clearance.  My business is not that of the government.  I have not victimized anyone and I am great at my job. Now a person should be honest, but a person should also not incriminate themselves or give out too much info.  You can lie on the polygraph just like they can lie on their SF-86 National Security Clearance form.   

Here is a side note about that SF-86:  If you do not disclose that you had psychological counseling, or that you got arrested in some random state or country that you did not live in for at least 30 days, the government will NEVER find out unless you or somebody else, like a developed reference, tells them.  Why?  Because there is no national database they can check.  The investigators only check places that you lived at for 30 days, they do not run around the world and check records of all your vacation spots.  This information is kept locally.  The government does not go to every city and state and check police records and psych records.  That would be too time consuming.  They only check when you tell them to because you told them that you have a record there.   

Anyway, polygraphers are getting scared because as more people learn the game, learn not to confess and how to relax during the polygraph "interrogation" (Doug's words, Polygraph School is mostly interrogation tactics), then less people will make confessions and more people will pass.  I hope Doug wins his trial.  I would like to see the lid blown off of the polygraph industry, and put polygraphers out of a job.  Want to investigate somebody?  Then run a background check.  Trying to scare someone into confessing to things that would have never been discovered is wrong.  An individual has the right to learn how the polygraph works and know what to expect before they go in for the "exam".  Polygraphers are just too scared that they will not get as many confessions, well you know what, too bad!  Find another career polygraphers!   

I personally have told all my friends and co-workers about the polygraph.  I tell them the rule is to just not confess.  It is an interrogation to dig up your dirty laundry.  Expect to be coerced, but do not fall for it, it happens to everyone.   Relax and keep your mouth shut and you'll be fine.  Follow this advice, and you may not even need to employ countermeasures!

DO NOT BE INTIMIDATED BY POLYGRAPH EXAMINERS.  THEY ARE JUST LITTLE TROUBLED PEOPLE.  THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING AND NEITHER DOES THE POLYGRAPH MACHINE. RELAX AND DO NOT MAKE ANY CONFESSIONS AND YOU WILL BE FINE!  POLYGRAPH DOES NOT WORK!   

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Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread
Reply #55 - May 5th, 2015 at 9:34pm
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Re filed Documents 1 and 3. The polygraph charts which Doug taught others to manipulate are a witness to some aspect of the applicant's background and suitability for employment only to the extent that the paradigm which leads to the production of the charts is valid.

The government can't have it both ways--either there is witness tampering (some reason to believe the witness is reliable and credible in the absence of any tampering, i.e., the charts are accurate) or there is no reasonable facsimile of a witness involved and absent a witness--no witness tampering.

Doug's attorney should and presumably will argue this vigorously.

Document 2's request to exclude all who have taken a polygraph exam is way too broad and seeks to establish an unfair burden for the defendant, i.e., that those who will judge him must be ignorant of the process which he taught others to manipulate.
  
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Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread
Reply #56 - May 6th, 2015 at 12:19am
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Drew Richardson wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 9:34pm:
Re filed Documents 1 and 3. The polygraph charts which Doug taught others to manipulate are a witness to some aspect of the applicant's background and suitability for employment only to the extent that the paradigm which leads to the production of the charts is valid.



The government can't have it both ways--either there is witness tampering (some reason to believe the witness is reliable and credible in the absence of any tampering, i.e., the charts are accurate) or there is no reasonable facsimile of a witness involved and absent a witness--no witness tampering.

Doug's attorney should and presumably will argue this vigorously.

Document 2's request to exclude all who have taken a polygraph exam is way too broad and seeks to establish an unfair burden for the defendant, i.e., that those who will judge him must be ignorant of the process which he taught others to manipulate.


These are all great points Drew thanks for sharing them. I have forwarded all of this to my attorney.
  

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Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread
Reply #57 - May 6th, 2015 at 5:29am
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On 5 May, attorneys for Doug Williams submitted their proposed jury instructions, which suggest that Williams might not testify in the case and that an entrapment defense will be presented. A second attorney has also been added to Williams' defense team: Chase A. O'Brien of the Buzin Law Office.
  

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Reply #58 - May 6th, 2015 at 11:36am
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You are quite welcome. I hope the thoughts will be useful. Let me now add briefly to them. I hope to add another post later today/this evening regarding another central issue in your indictment, but for the minute and in continuation....

The government will argue that my notion of the witness being the polygraph charts and not the examinee is wrong (largely because it will suit its case to completely remove polygraphy from charges that stem from nothing but polygraphy, i.e., people did not come to you and pay you good money to tell them that they should say that they don't know you, BUT quite clearly to learn how to effectively manipulate polygraph charts.) 

Apart from this trial matter, the day-to-day operation for the government is to deny that the examinee is a trusted witness (otherwise there would be no need for lie detection). The government treats the examinee/applicant as little more than a biased spokesperson for himself/herself at the time of the polygraph examination and therefore the need for lie detection. Clearly it is the squiggles on the polygraph chart that is the trusted witness in this phase of the applicant inquiry.

This should be made quite clear to the presiding judge, and hopefully the judge will not allow the prosecution to confiscate this fact for its own trial purposes in the face of the reality of applicant investigation.
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Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread
Reply #59 - May 6th, 2015 at 11:46am
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Drew Richardson wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 11:36am:
Doug,

You are quite welcome. I hope the thoughts will be useful. Let me now add briefly to them. I hope to add another post later today/this evening regarding another central issue in your indictment, but for the minute and in continuation....

The government will argue that my notion of the witness being the polygraph charts and not the examinee is wrong (largely because it will suit its case to completely remove polygraphy from charges that stem from nothing but polygraphy, i.e., people did not come to you and pay you good money to tell them that they should say that they don't know you, BUT quite clearly to learn how to effectively manipulate polygraph charts.) 

Apart from this trial matter, the day-to-day operation for the government is to deny that the examinee is a trusted witness (otherwise there would be no need for lie detection). The government treats the examinee/applicant as little more than a biased spokes person for himself/herself at the time of the polygraph examination and therefore the need for lie detection. Clearly it is the squiggles on the polygraph chart that is the trusted witness in this phase of the applicant inquiry.

This should be made quite clear to the presiding judge, and hopefully the judge will not allow the prosecution to confiscate this fact for its own trial purposes in the face of the reality of applicant investigation.


Thanks again Drew - this is indeed very helpful and I will forward it to my attorney.  I welcome anything else you may have to add...
  

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