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Wandersmann Very Senior User Offline Posts: 228 Joined: Jun 2^nd, 2015	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #165 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 1:47am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	quickfix wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 6:34pm: You don't like it? Leave. Move to North Korea or Iran. Maybe you'll like it there better. Why ? Thanks to guys like you America is turning into North Korea and Iran. Also, even the North Koreans and Iranians haven't stooped so low as to ruin innocent people's lives with the polygraph.
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Ex Member God Member Offline Posts: 710 Joined: Dec 9^th, 2012	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #166 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 2:26pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Someguy, Throwing in the towel is not very patriotic. If you are firm in your beliefs then join with others and effectuate change. Religion is kind of a sensitive issue which I would save for forums with ears more inclined to such topics.


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Doug Williams Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 284 Joined: Feb 15^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #167 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 3:07pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Ex Member wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 2:26pm: Someguy, Throwing in the towel is not very patriotic. If you are firm in your beliefs then join with others and effectuate change. Trying to effectuate change is a very dangerous endeavor.

	I have been fighting the thugs and charlatans in the polygraph industry for forty years. I tell about my crusade against the insidious Orwellian polygraph industry in my book FALSE CONFESSIONS - THE TRUE STORY OF DOUG WILLIAMS' CRUSADE AGAINST THE ORWELLIAN POLYGRAPH INDUSTRY. Please visit my website POLYGRAPH.COM and follow me on TWITTER @DougWilliams_PG Doug Williams
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quickfix Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 368 Joined: Jan 15^th, 2006	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #168 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 3:57pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Wandersmann wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 1:47am: Also, even the North Koreans and Iranians haven't stooped so low as to ruin innocent people's lives with the polygraph. You're absolutely right. They don't. They just execute you instead.


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Ex Member God Member Offline Posts: 710 Joined: Dec 9^th, 2012	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #169 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 4:31pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Doug Williams wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 3:07pm: Trying to effectuate change is a very dangerous endeavor. Ha! You got me on that one Doug. I think George probably doesn't get many Christmas cards from the anti-change camp either!


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Wandersmann Very Senior User Offline Posts: 228 Joined: Jun 2^nd, 2015	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #170 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 5:29pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	quickfix wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 3:57pm: You're absolutely right. They don't. They just execute you instead. Thanks for pointing out that getting executed is worse than failing a polygraph. I guess that justifies ruining innocent and patriotic people's lives to scam a living. It's a lot easier than having to mess with that silly system called "due process".


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Doug Williams barred from "any form of polygraph activity." Reply #171 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 6:19pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Two more filings in U.S. v. Doug Williams are now available for download: Sentencing Minute Sheet dated 22 September 2015 Judgment dated 22 September 2015 In addition to being sentenced to two years in prison, Doug Williams has also been sentenced to three years of "supervised release," during which time he "shall not participate in any form of polygraph-related activity." In addition: Quote: The defendant must submit to a search of his person, property, electronic devices or any automobile under his control to be conducted in a reasonable manner and at a reasonable time, for the purpose of detecting any evidence of polygraph activity at the direction of the probation officer upon reasonable suspicion. Further, the defendant must inform any residents that the premises may be subject to a search. The prohibition against "polygraph-related activity" provides further confirmation that this was a political prosecution aimed at silencing Williams.

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Ex Member God Member Offline Posts: 710 Joined: Dec 9^th, 2012	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #172 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:24pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	George W. Maschke wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 6:19pm: The prohibition against "polygraph-related activity" provides further confirmation that this was a political prosecution aimed at silencing Williams. I agree George, it's a very sophomoric stipulation, as if it's going to really make a difference. I think the CBP really snowed the Justice Dept on this. What exactly is "polygraph activity?" I wonder if they will give Doug polygraph exams to gauge compliance?
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Dan Mangan God Member Offline Posts: 652 Joined: Jul 31^st, 2014	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #173 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 1:45am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Nature abhors a vacuum.


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Drew Richardson Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 427 Joined: Sep 7^th, 2001	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #174 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 2:04am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	After completing his sentence, if Doug simply wants to demonstrate or explain how to manipulate a polygraph channel tracing (i.e., simply restating publicly available non-classified information), I will gladly assist him and then the government can explain how my expression of protected free speech is his lack of compliance...
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Wandersmann Very Senior User Offline Posts: 228 Joined: Jun 2^nd, 2015	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #175 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 3:54am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	George W. Maschke wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 6:19pm: The prohibition against "polygraph-related activity" provides further confirmation that this was a political prosecution aimed at silencing Williams. I have never understood how the government was able to seize all of Doug's business records, specifically client info. The only probable cause for the alleged "crime" committed involved the undercover agents and information pertaining to their relationship with Doug. I would have thought that such records were the only records that could have been seized. Absent other specific information regarding Doug's clients being involved in criminal activity, client records should have been First and Fourth Amendment protected. What am I missing ? It seems to me a blatantly illegal and unconstitutional action conducted by the DHS.


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quickfix Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 368 Joined: Jan 15^th, 2006	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #176 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 6:40pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Wandersmann wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 3:54am: What am I missing ? A law degree!


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Aunty Agony Very Senior User Offline Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 15^th, 2011	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #177 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 2:51am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Wandersmann wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 3:54am: I have never understood how the government was able to seize all of Doug's business records, specifically client info. The only probable cause for the alleged "crime" committed involved the undercover agents and information pertaining to their relationship with Doug. I would have thought that such records were the only records that could have been seized. Absent other specific information regarding Doug's clients being involved in criminal activity, client records should have been First and Fourth Amendment protected. What am I missing ? I think the theory is that if Doug was entrapped into criminal conspiracy with known agents, he may have committed similar conspiracies with some of his other clients. Just exactly how Doug's business records would help uncover such conspiracies need not be explained, if the judge is friendly enough. Wandersmann wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 3:54am: It seems to me a blatantly illegal and unconstitutional action conducted by the DHS. The DHS OWNS blatantly illegal and unconstitutional action.


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Aunty Agony Very Senior User Offline Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 15^th, 2011	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #178 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 2:53am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	quickfix wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 6:40pm: Wandersmann wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 3:54am: What am I missing? A law degree! We can't all be experienced practicing lawyers like you.


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Wandersmann Very Senior User Offline Posts: 228 Joined: Jun 2^nd, 2015	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #179 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 3:45am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Aunty Agony wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 2:51am: I think the theory is that if Doug was entrapped into criminal conspiracy with known agents, he may have committed similar conspiracies with some of his other clients. I understand the warped logic and agree that is probably how they justified it. That PC would never work in a real criminal search warrant.


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