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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #105 - May 16^th, 2015 at 4:10pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	quickfix wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 6:52pm: And to those of you fools who threw good money away buying his junk or taking his personal training, we will ferret you out and deal with you appropriately. What, in your view, is the appropriate way to deal with persons who have purchased Doug Williams' manual/video?

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Ex Member God Member Offline Posts: 710 Joined: Dec 9^th, 2012	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #106 - May 16^th, 2015 at 4:23pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	quickfix wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 12:05pm: I need a title.Anysuggestions? How about: "The Inane Rambling of an Eddy Haskell Wannabe and his Stillborn Humor"


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Uncle Jed Guest	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #107 - May 16^th, 2015 at 5:11pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Okay quickfix, I'll bite: How about the title: LIFESTYLES OF THE INFAMOUS AND IMPRISONED !!


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quickfix Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 368 Joined: Jan 15^th, 2006	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #108 - May 16^th, 2015 at 5:15pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Ex Member wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 4:23pm: How about: "The Inane Rambling of an Eddy Haskell Wannabe and his Stillborn Humor" Now that's funny. Will take it under advisement. George W. Maschke wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 4:10pm: What, in your view, is the appropriate way to deal with persons who have purchased Doug Williams' manual/video? I refer to those who did so as applicants for federal law enforcement positions (names obtained from Doug's records). I'm also aware that the names are of interest to the intell community and those who applied for local/state law enforcement jobs. What would be appropriate? How about conspiracy to commit fraud, attempting to obtain federal employment through deception? I like those for starters.


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #109 - May 16^th, 2015 at 9:02pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	quickfix wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 5:15pm: How about conspiracy to commit fraud, attempting to obtain federal employment through deception?I like those for starters. It seems to me that the mere fact that someone purchased Doug Williams' manual and/or DVD doesn't establish any conspiracy to commit fraud or any attempt to obtain federal employment through deception. Evidently DOJ agrees: it seems that more than two years after federal agents seized Williams' business records, none of his thousands of customers have been criminally prosecuted for having purchased his instructional materials.

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Wandersmann Guest	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #110 - May 17^th, 2015 at 3:45am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Is it fraud to protect oneself against being falsely condemned by an instrument proven to be inaccurate ? Wouldn't you have to prove that the applicants were hiding something illegal before you accused them of any type of fraud ? Polygraph examiners are the ones committing fraud. They should be prosecuted. If this society is going to embrace the polygraph then I say let's polygraph everybody. I think lawyers (including Oklahoma prosecutors) should be required to pass a polygraph exam to maintain their licenses. After all, there is no right to bar association membership.


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quickfix Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 368 Joined: Jan 15^th, 2006	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #111 - May 19^th, 2015 at 9:39pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: Is it fraud to protect oneself against being falsely condemned by an instrument proven to be inaccurate ? Proven by whom? Someone's opinion? Opinions are like assholes.Everybody has one.Quote: Wouldn't you have to prove that the applicants were hiding something illegal before you accused them of any type of fraud ? Someone who applies for a position requiring a polygraph exams, then obtains a "how to" book on engaging in countermeasures certainly appears to be attempting to engage in fraudulent behavior by trying to cheat their way through the polygraph process, thus gaining employment through fraud. Quote: If this society is going to embrace the polygraph then I say let's polygraph everybody. Not everyone applies for employment in the CIA/NSA/FBI, or is a criminal suspect. You want the job? Take the polygraph. Take it honestly, answer truthfully, and there's no reason you can't successfully complete the process. Don't want to? Don't take it. It's a voluntary process, and there is no shortage of applicants willing to do so. You're welcome to seek employment elsewhere. Ever drive past the parking lots of NSA, CIA? Lots of cars! Who are all these people? They're folks who did take their polygraphs honestly and got hired. So when someone buys the book/CD from Doug the cockroach to prepare for the polygraph, they shouldn't complain when they get caught and get a foot in the ass out the door. Ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances.


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Joe McCarthy God Member Offline Tiocfaidh ár lá Posts: 526 Location: The Shroud of The Foggy Dew Joined: Mar 25^th, 2008 Gender:	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #112 - May 19^th, 2015 at 9:59pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Just curious, is anyone planing to get the court reporter's record of what there was of a trial? Post that and let everyone decide on their own. This seems the most fair thing to do rather than to commentary about what we speculate what happened. Just spitballing

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Ex Member God Member Offline Posts: 710 Joined: Dec 9^th, 2012	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #113 - May 19^th, 2015 at 11:08pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	To get court recorder transcripts, one must pay. I had done this and it's not cheap.


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Joe McCarthy God Member Offline Tiocfaidh ár lá Posts: 526 Location: The Shroud of The Foggy Dew Joined: Mar 25^th, 2008 Gender:	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #114 - May 20^th, 2015 at 12:29am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	It was just a thought.

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not him Guest	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #115 - May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:06am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	So why did Doug change his plea to Guilty?


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Polygraph.com Up for Auction Reply #116 - May 25^th, 2015 at 1:51pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
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pailryder Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 441 Joined: Jun 5^th, 2006	Re: Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread Reply #117 - May 26^th, 2015 at 6:40pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: So why did Doug change his plea to Guilty? Because, according to what he told the judge, he was.

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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Polygraph.com No Longer for Auction Reply #118 - May 27^th, 2015 at 2:56pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Scott Horton Show Interview on U.S. v. Doug Williams Reply #119 - May 28^th, 2015 at 2:39pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Yesterday I was a guest on the Scott Horton Show: http://scotthorton.org/interviews/2015/05/27/52715-george-maschke/

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