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polypoppolypop New User Offline Posts: 2 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2008	Possible CM? Feb 19^th, 2012 at 5:48pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I'm not sure if everyone is physically capable of doing this but it seems forcibly blurring your own vision (causing pupils to dilate) would generate a physical respone akin to the anal sphincter method since both involve muslce contraction, but eye blurring, I'd think, wouldn't be detectable. Thoughts?
	« Last Edit: Feb 19^th, 2012 at 7:53pm by polypoppolypop »

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RoamingBack New User Offline Posts: 22 Joined: Feb 7^th, 2012	Re: Possible CM? Reply #1 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 5:11pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I think most polygraphs are videoed and this would show up and be a disqualifying 'action.' I licked my lips and was told that IF I did it again, I'd be disqualified... unbelievable.


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stefano Ex Member	Re: Possible CM? Reply #2 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 11:33pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	RoamingBack wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 5:11pm: I licked my lips and was told that IF I did it again, I'd be disqualified... unbelievable. geeesssh! Polygraphers are so paranoid of countermeasures they are looking under their beds for them. What if the polygrapher is a pretty lady and I sprung one during the test?


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RoamingBack New User Offline Posts: 22 Joined: Feb 7^th, 2012	Re: Possible CM? Reply #3 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 2:00am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Paranoia... right, right Stefano. You are correct. The world, not to wax philosophically, has lost its humanity. Oh, not everyone but in general I ( this is an opinion, like those orifices we all have ;^) I think we are being taught it is the 'way' to be... paranoia follows, perhaps it might even precede but I don't know. Coldness predominates. Be safe.


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Bill_Brown Very Senior User Offline Posts: 227 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2011	Re: Possible CM? Reply #4 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 2:22am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Stefano, I would like to see that happen, just to see the reaction of the female polygrapher. You would have a decrease in Blood Pressure in the arm, and I'm sure breathing would change, also the GSR would change drastically. Good countermeasure for sure.


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POOT Guest	Re: Possible CM? Reply #5 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 2:39am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I farted during my poly and was accused of using that as a countermeasure. Go figure. antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1324673870


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quickfix Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 368 Joined: Jan 15^th, 2006	Re: Possible CM? Reply #6 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 8:12pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	note to HR: hire only ugly polygraphers.


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getrealalready Senior User Offline Posts: 57 Joined: Oct 6^th, 2007	Re: Possible CM? Reply #7 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 10:16pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: note to HR: hire only ugly polygraphers. Note to Quickfix: Obviously HR got that note 30 years ago.


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stefano Ex Member	Re: Possible CM? Reply #8 - Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 2:50am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	getrealalready wrote on Feb 21^st, 2012 at 10:16pm: Note to Quickfix: Obviously HR got that note 30 years ago. Now, now....I am sure the lot of us are not on GQ Magazine's short list. Bill B. -- If I could pull off that CM on cue, I'd be a popular guy


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polypoppolypop New User Offline Posts: 2 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2008	Re: Possible CM? Reply #9 - Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 1:23pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	to bring this back to what was intended as a serious question (though the scenario is pretty damn funny)...i know sessions are recorded, but i'm not talking about squinting. to detect pupil contractions, a camera would have to be literally in your face no? unfortunately, i don't know how it looks when i blur my vision because when i do it....my vision is blurred so i can't see myself!


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RoamingBack New User Offline Posts: 22 Joined: Feb 7^th, 2012	Re: Possible CM? Reply #10 - Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 1:33pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Dilation of pupils is hard to do without varying the amount of light in or out. That means altering your lids to be more open or less open and I think that would be observable. The video recording is, I was told, of high quality. But really why must one have to go to such lengths... the poly is so obviously flawed for employment selection as proven time and time again both objectively and subjectively (here, comments of failed applicants). It is true you can raise your BP by pressing on the philtrum (upper lip groove, center) or reduce it by gently pressing on your closed eyelids/eyes but of course that is very observable. Physignomy is the science of 'face reading' and I'm sure that is no less accurate. I'd like to see to what extent one can dilate or constrict their pupils, interesting.


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stefano Ex Member	Re: Possible CM? Reply #11 - Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 8:38pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I believe that any psycho-physiological response generated from eye pupil dilation would be the result of the mental work involved rather than the physical processes. Therefore, I would suggest generating the mental work alone, void of any physiological mechanism. This eliminates the concern for examiner scrutiny, not to mention the indignity of having to stealthily pucker your sphincter in the presence of some dweeb on a power trip.


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RoamingBack New User Offline Posts: 22 Joined: Feb 7^th, 2012	Re: Possible CM? Reply #12 - Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 10:31pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	The Solution! http://mindcontrol101.blogspot.com/2008/05/how-to-dilate-your-pupils-at-will.htm... or, because some say that might be harmful, another few tricks... some like the first http://www.wikihow.com/Dilate-or-Shrink-Your-Pupils-on-Command Okay, well, that is interesting.


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