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Possible CM?
Feb 19th, 2012 at 5:48pm
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I'm not sure if everyone is physically capable of doing this but it seems forcibly blurring your own vision (causing pupils to dilate) would generate a physical respone akin to the anal sphincter method since both involve muslce contraction, but eye blurring, I'd think, wouldn't be detectable.  Thoughts?
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Re: Possible CM?
Reply #1 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 5:11pm
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I think most polygraphs are videoed and this would show up and be a disqualifying 'action.' I licked my lips and was told that IF I did it again, I'd be disqualified... unbelievable.
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 11:33pm
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RoamingBack wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 5:11pm:
I licked my lips and was told that IF I did it again, I'd be disqualified... unbelievable. 

geeesssh! Polygraphers are so paranoid of countermeasures they are looking under their beds for them. What if the polygrapher is a pretty lady and I sprung one during the test?
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 2:00am
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Paranoia... right, right Stefano. You are correct. The world, not to wax philosophically, has lost its humanity. Oh, not everyone but in general I ( this is an opinion, like those orifices we all have ;^) I think we are being taught it is the 'way' to be... paranoia follows, perhaps it might even precede but I don't know. Coldness predominates. Be safe.
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 2:22am
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Stefano,

I would like to see that happen, just to see the reaction of the female polygrapher.  You would have a decrease in Blood Pressure in the arm, and I'm sure breathing would change, also the GSR would change drastically.  Good countermeasure for sure.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 2:39am
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I farted during my poly and was accused of using that as a countermeasure. 
Go figure. Undecided

antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1324673870
  
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Re: Possible CM?
Reply #6 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 8:12pm
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note to HR:  hire only ugly polygraphers.
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 10:16pm
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note to HR:  hire only ugly polygraphers.


Note to Quickfix: Obviously HR got that note 30 years ago.
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 2:50am
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getrealalready wrote on Feb 21st, 2012 at 10:16pm:
Note to Quickfix: Obviously HR got that note 30 years ago. 

Now, now....I am sure the lot of us are not on GQ Magazine's short list.

Bill B. -- If I could pull off that CM on cue, I'd be a popular guy Wink
  
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Re: Possible CM?
Reply #9 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 1:23pm
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to bring this back to what was intended as a serious question (though the scenario is pretty damn funny)...i know sessions are recorded, but i'm not talking about squinting. to detect pupil contractions, a camera would have to be literally in your face no? unfortunately, i don't know how it looks when i blur my vision because when i do it....my vision is blurred so i can't see myself!
  
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Re: Possible CM?
Reply #10 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 1:33pm
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Dilation of pupils is hard to do without varying the amount of light in or out. That means altering your lids to be more open or less open and I think that would be observable. The video recording is, I was told, of high quality. But really why must one have to go to such lengths... the poly is so obviously flawed for employment selection as proven time and time again both objectively and subjectively (here, comments of failed applicants). It is true you can raise your BP by pressing on the philtrum (upper lip groove, center) or reduce it by gently pressing on your closed eyelids/eyes but of course that is very observable. Physignomy is the science of 'face reading' and I'm sure that is no less accurate. I'd like to see to what extent one can dilate or constrict their pupils, interesting.
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 8:38pm
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I believe that any psycho-physiological response generated from eye pupil dilation would be the result of the mental work involved rather than the physical processes.

Therefore, I would suggest generating the mental work alone, void of any physiological mechanism. This eliminates the concern for examiner scrutiny, not to mention the indignity of having to stealthily pucker your sphincter in the presence of some dweeb on a power trip.
  
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Re: Possible CM?
Reply #12 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 10:31pm
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The Solution!
http://mindcontrol101.blogspot.com/2008/05/how-to-dilate-your-pupils-at-will.htm...

or, because some say that might be harmful, another few tricks... some like the first
http://www.wikihow.com/Dilate-or-Shrink-Your-Pupils-on-Command

Okay, well, that is interesting.
  
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